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Old 28-02-2010, 04:20 PM
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CLYDE: LAMINGTON & DISTRICT(Angling Improvement?) ASSOCIATION:

BAN THIS/BAN THAT/BEWARE WHAT’S NEXT?
(a) Grayling Season Reduced
(b) Bait Fishing Banned
I am trying to work out the logic behind these changes.

Let me put forward the Clyde Grayling Angler’s viewpoint. It’s bad enough reducing the period that we can fish for the lady of the streams from 20 to 15 weeks, a reduction of 25% but on the pretext that the trout are being caught and need a rest?

Who dreamt this one up, on what scientific basis was this conclusion drawn, or was it based on reports from fly fishers or bait fishers or both? or was it based on myth, like years gone by, when the norm was to remove and throw the grayling up the bank because they ate trout eggs and by their removal, would improve the trout stocks?
We have moved on somewhat since then thankfully, or have we?

What the Association has done is set a precedent for years to come, allowing some other misguided fool(s) to come up with the idea that trout need a longer rest and by doing so, grayling fishing is eventually phased out altogether, thus enabling the brown trout to have respite throughout their entire close season.

A fish in February is no different from any other month, so it’s alright to catch brown trout during every other month but not February? Where’s the logic?

Again where do you draw the line of what fishing practice is right and what is wrong?

Not all anglers can fish the summer months due to work commitments and rely on their Grayling fishing for their sport in winter. If they are not fly fishers. THERE NOW NOT WELCOME, on Lamington’s Water.

What really concerns me is the decision that it’s fly fishing only:
no upstream worming, gadger, stick bait, dockin or wasp grubs, natural fly either by float or wool, jigging the natural minnow on a mount with back- to- back hooks.
All LEGITIMATE & LAWFUL in there own right skilful arts of fishing; NOW BANNED.

Many coming into the sport, start by learning bait fishing, gaining experience in river craft and then progress onto fly-fishing.

No maggot or worm trotting for Trout or Grayling, which have been time honoured methods of fishing on the River Clyde for generations and all are LEGAL forms of angling, now BANNED…(exception Quarry Pool (Barrie’s) It’s alright in one very small section of the river, but not in others?)

Question to the Association: is it permissible to fish with a centre pin reel with fly or nymphs below a float on the main river? Or is it only traditional fly fishing methods that will be allowed.? Will strike indicators be allowed? Will you be allowed to put a maggot on your Red Tag ?
(This could open up a can of worms, so to speak, or is it the case that this hasn’t been thought through yet?)

As a fly & bait fisher, having fished the Clyde for 50+ years I view these decisions as a threat to our angling heritage: not by an outside body but by fellow anglers. THIS
MUST BE A FIRST anywhere in the angling world. Or put another way Angler turning on Angler, where has common sense gone, down the river in the last big flood by the look of it.

What do angler’s do now when the water is not suitable for the fly and can’t employ other methods of fishing? Find a river or still water that does and the income revenue move with them?

I would also point out that anglers supporting CRAG (Clyde River Action Group) are not all fly fishing purists.

If the Association had taken time to think through the implication, there were other options that they could have taken. Instead of an outright ban on bait, they could have made other, less sweeping restrictions E.g. fishing with centre pin reels. This would, in effect, take spinning reels and treble hook lures out of the equation.

With 9 miles of water, why not divide the river into section, fly only section, bait only section or a fly & bait section this would have been a fairer compromise where no one would have been totally excluded.
Were any of these options even considered?

Restricting spinning and bait fishing to Barrie’s Quarry is the thin end of the wedge and no more than a red herring with regard to the overall fishing available to members. This probably accounts for less than 0.5 % of the whole water available.

Have they considered the impact that the new regulation would have on their income? Did anyone undertake a cost analysis of the possible loss of revenue due to lower permit sales?

The Association now appears to be elitists favouring fly-fishing. It’s the only conclusion that one can take from their selfish actions.

As an Angling Body they should be working to bring ALL anglers together to defend our sport, not BANNING a section from it. In particular at this time with the threat of the proposed new quarry they need as many friends that they can muster.

This whole episode beggars belief! One section of the angling community DISCRIMINATING against another is at the very least, SHAMEFUL!

It would be interested to hear the thinking and reasoning behind this debacle explained by the Association, as I am sure would many other decent, honest bait anglers who, over the years, have contributed and supported the Association.

Why have we been excluded?
On, what grounds?

Even the most purist of fly-fishers must acknowledge the injustice of these decisions. If the wader was on the other foot and fly-fishing was being banned, what would their reactions be, bloody outrage.

The purpose of this article is to open up the debate, so if you have a view, let’s hear from you.

Pass it on to your fellow angler.

If you agree with the contents, make your views known to the Association email the Secretary, lamingtonfishing@aol.com if you don’t then nothing will change.


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Old 28-02-2010, 04:34 PM
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Not one to knock bait fishers mate i started off doing it myself, but there are a few out there who spoil it all for everybody by indescriminately killing everything they catch and this water isnt stocked anymore its a wild fishery ,i personally think it will still survive as a fly only water as everybody ive seen over the last two or three years have been fly only anyway, sorry but thats my view on it
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Old 28-02-2010, 04:42 PM
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The purpose of this article is to open up the debate, so if you have a view, let’s hear from you.
So just before i disagree with absolutely everything you have said could you clarify what your objections are clearly?

Is it simply because you have being doing it that way for 50 years or is it more sinister than that and they are taking the welfare of the fish formost rather than the angler?
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Great idea to ban spinning on the Clyde

Great idea to ban bait fishing on the Clyde

Great idea to ban fishing in February 2011 on the Clyde

Leave the worm brigade to the Kelvin.

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Old 28-02-2010, 05:33 PM
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but on the pretext that the trout are being caught and need a rest?
Hardly a pretext, from day one of the end of the Trout season anglers were fishing "for Grayling" & catching loads of Trout by the reports I read in this forum around October November are to be believed. I just feel sorry for the "proper bait" fishers but I can see why they the club have done this. I dont neccesary agree but I can see their logic behind it.
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Sad to see the bait fishing go on the Clyde. The Clyde for me was the last of the great working man's rivers. Older Clyde anglers will know what I mean by that....

I used to make it a Boxing Day ritual every year not matter what the weather, to go down to Lamington and trot for the Grayling with my centrepin and float rod. Sadly they stopped us doing that a long time ago

Fly only is fine, but we are depriving anglers from all walks of life, of great sport with a very skilled sporting method if they ban indiscriminately, all who use bait.



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I feel sorry for the genuine bait fishers on the Clyde! but there is a small majority of bait fishers who kill wild trout and grayling on the river!
I agree with the changes the association have introduced on the river, i would say 99% of the anglers on the Clyde are flyfishers!
I also don't think it will affect the cash flow either for the association.
So it doesn't affect us, but i do feel sorry for the other 1%!
Remember this is a wild fish section of river were most people fish C&R in order to preserve the stocks.
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Old 28-02-2010, 06:15 PM
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[QUOTE=David N;655630]

I used to make it a Boxing Day ritual every year not matter what the weather, to go down to Lamington and trot for the Grayling with my centrepin and float rod. Sadly they stopped us doing that a long time ago

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Today you can still trot a maggot for Grayling David
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Old 28-02-2010, 06:24 PM
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In my 2 seasons fishing the Lamington stretch I have only seen 1 person bait fishing and that was during my 1st season. Again I feel sorry for the genuine bait anglers but again as already said there will be the minority which do the damage. I heard in october that the comittee were thinking about these changes and I do understand what they are trying to do and agree with them. My last grayling trip was in October and the number of trout we hooked up was a real eye opener most were 1/2lb or below but there were a few big fish amoungst them so I agree give them a break let them rest and who knows they may be easier to locate early season.

Whilst were on about the Clyde and conservation efforts was it just me or was there a lack of trout in the 1lb to 1 1/2lb bracket last season? Plenty 3/4lb and smaller fish and a few over 2lb but none in between!
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I have fished the upper Clyde more than usual this year and i hardly caught a trout during the grayling season, but i did get some nice grayling.
Infact i think the river was lightly fished this year due to the hard winter so i guess the trout have had their well deserved rest that they so badly need

All my grayling fishing this year was trotting with a centre pin which i have done for about 20 years.
I have responsibly fished loads of rivers in Scotland trotting and never caused any harm to anyone or targeted out of season fish.
I fish C&R 99% of the time but i have been known to kill the odd fish for the pot which i dont think there is anything wrong with that.

I fly fish for trout during the trout season and again i fish 99% C&R.


Some one said that the bait fishers kill lots of fish.
Fly fishers also kill fish (fact).

I have have spoken to many miss guided fly fishers (fish mongers) over the years, i dont think it is fair to tar everyone with the one brush.


Red hackle has got a few good points!


The Clyde is facing a few challenges at the moment with the open cast mine (CRAG) and the signal crayfish further up water which at some point will reach the lamington water.

Is this the time to be alienating anglers who will help you fight these problems?

I will not be talking a Lamington ticket next year due to the bait ban and i feel a bit annoyed about it.


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I used to make it a Boxing Day ritual every year not matter what the weather, to go down to Lamington and trot for the Grayling with my centrepin and float rod. Sadly they stopped us doing that a long time ago

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Today you can still trot a maggot for Grayling David
You could have trotted yesterday but not today on a Sunday which is a pain.
You have another 2 weeks of trotting for grayling then never again
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