Ciao,
I thought to insert any videos about our casts. They are, specifi casts, utility casst and practice fishing.
I would like talk peacefully and constructively with you, and in particular with the instructors because I think that it is useful increase the technical background, and if you have any dynamics that I don't know, I will be very happy learn them.

I would begin with a very important and fantastic cast, the under tip cast.
Do you know it ?

In our tecnique, it is the widely used for entry under bushes, and it is the best in small stream.

Below I inserted some video.

I would like know your opinions.
Thank you very much.

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max, do you know the Ritz's 'storm cast'?

looks like a similar stop/flip in your under tip cast.

ohanzee,
I know the "bourrasque" cast of Ritz.
The names Storm and Bourrasque means the same and I think that the cast are the same.
If they are the same, the storm cast seem different to under tip cast, it is similar at parallel low cast.
Look this is the parallel low cast:

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Max

The under tip cast is essentially the same as what we call a side arm cast.
How I make this cast is different than how you demonstrate.

Rule 1) False casting must never be made over the target area as it frightens the fish by casting shadows or permitting the fish to see the leader and fly flash over them.

In the second video it is clear that you make multiple false casts over or very near to the target area. We make our false casts away from the target area. In this situation false casts would be made over the water in mid stream and then change the cast direction to deliver the fly to the target area under the trees where you do place the fly.

Rule 2) Never slap the water with the cast.

On the final false cast in video 2 the fly and part of the leader strikes the water and is ripped off the surface of the water in the target area and then delivered to the target area on the next cast. If you do not manage to scare fish with shadow or the visualization of the cast flashing over head while false casting certainly slapping the water with the fly and leader will get the job done and the fish will be frightened.

Rule 3) Adjust the leader, fine tune the leader so as to help dampen the rod tip and eliminate waves in the cast.

In the final video there are waves created in the cast which are unappealing. Some rods are hard to tune I know, as was a Hardy 9ft #5 LutraLite Plus rod I sold some time back because of that rod design failure.

Rule 4) Do not make casting work.

In the third video you violate rule #1, #3 and rule #4. There does not appear to be a need to make that cast hard work. While you strive for high line speed you encourage the wave formation in your cast all the while false casting over potential target water. You continually speak to us of high line speed but speed for speed sake can make casting unnecessary work. Allow the rod to work as the rod maker designed. You are pushing that rod beyond it's intended purpose. I am sure allowing that rod to work as it was designed to work would make for a lovely delicate fly delivery with out waves in the line or all the physical work.
Slow down man you are going to have a heart attack!

You asked for our opinion and this is mine. It is what I would tell anyone who wished my positive critique of their casting.

Bobby

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max, the storm cast is different from yours, i thought the upward elbow movement was the same as your first pic,

in your last film i would cast this distance with much less energy and movement,

i dont see a technical difference between these and your angular cast, what are the differences?

Max,

The under tip cast demonstrated in video 1 is one of the two smallstream casts that I use most often.

My own is very slightly different in that the cast I use the line is slightly lower to the surface of the water and the rod is usually held slightly higher. It is essentially the same cast.

The other cast that I use even more frequently has an identical forward delivery but is delivered off a single or snake spey cast. This cast is the low (or skipping) spey.

Malcolm

Ciao Bobby,
I try reply you.

1) this is right and I agree with you, but I used a long leader, 5,00 m an so the shadow of line was out view of fish.

2) the slap was my error....

3) yes, the wave due of shooting the tip. This cast has its feature in the shooting down when the rod is at 45° forward. This serve to send the line from high position to down position generate a horizontal loop. This can seem a wave of the ti rod. If you see the line it is without wave because the power is progressive.

4) Kype, do you explain me how you do to send a light line (this was a DT2) without go fast ? You cannot to see in the video, but I assure you that the fly arrive in water very delicate because you forget I casting always the long leader.

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You can have the perfect fly, tied with excellent materials but if you do not present it in the right place and in the best possible way, it serves no purpose! Massimo Magliocco

i was going to say the same thing, more so with spey casts even, this is maybe why we see the difference.

I would remember you that in the video I cast with a DT2, and if you cast with less energy, the line don't run and fall in the water.

1) The angular cast run to a plain lateral of cast of 45°
2) The plain of parallel low cast is vertical
3) In the parallel, the energy is in the butt
4) In the angular is in the tip
5) In the parallel the left hand is in constant traction
6) In the angular can be mini double or still
7) In the angular the line is in angle
8) In the parallel it is parallel

If you see with attention you can to see all 8 point

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What is the line that you use ? DT oo WF ? Weight (number) ?

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If the outfit you are fishing with is balanced then the line will unroll perfectly and turn the leader over as well.

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