Hi all, a little but important question: when you cast, what do arrive before in the water the leader, the line or the fly ?

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Depending on where your fishing; and how you need to position your fly??

Then all of your diagrams would work! - High stick for fly first, with a slight pull, to float the dry fly like Gossamer on a light breeze; and landing gently on the water! It works for me!

Bit heavier with your back cast; and some free line in the forward cast, would put your leader on the water with a little roll over of the fly on to the water!

Line first?? Early forward cast puts line on water first!

But I know your going to give us some expert analogies of how it's done in Italy!

look forward to learning how it's achieved correctly.

M

depends on the length of cast, with longer casts it becomes increasingly more difficult to land the fly before the line drops,

i think i aim for fly, leader and line to land at the same time, most of the time anyway,

Lee Wulff was an exponent of the fly landing before the line, other than not getting instant drag, are there other advantages?

far from my idea teaching you of cast. I would like know as you thinking your cast.

When in our school we teach the cast, we pledge to teach the angular cast, run very fast, because if we dominate line and leader on high-speed, we can to do all things when we go to the fishing.

Once the students are ready, we teach them the specific casts, because now they dominate on the line and leader.

This result we have with line from 2 to 10 but the best from 2 to 5.

For to have a line and leader stretched allow at the fly land first in the water, in the forward cast, you have give the thrust when the rod is at 45°-50° forward. This is the first important element but there are many others.

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clearest and simplest explanation i have seen, excellent.

I agree,

Good explanation of how to make a simple cast! Line on water and hopefully, fish caught? Love the look of your stream Max, nice clear water! I would not stand and cast there! I would be kneeling down, would make it easier to slide the fly under those bushes. Some really good diagrams of you casting!

Thanks.

M

Max

I have pondered this question for much of the day and I must say that generally my fly lands last but not by much. I try to avoid unnecessary high line speed so as to not impact the water sending vibrations to the fish, which I believe they can detect when cruising the surface rising or hanging in suspension rising as the fish must do here on my home river. The pools are deep often 6 ft – 25 ft, flat and soft in many cases. I don't have the fast broken to water covering the impact of the line as it lands. I tend to use the mend reach cast quite a bit and the steeple cast as well as the across and down or directly down stream cast and the steeple cast when fishing spent wing may flies. The down stream dry fly presentation developed by Canadian anglers such as Lou and Emey Freeman with the White Hackle and Yellow Hackle down wing dry flies may be one of the most important developments in dry fly fishing this side of the pond. Granted these flies and techniques were developed for Atlantic salmon and few American anglers fish as I do using these techniques for trout tought I know out in the Western USA they are using the down and across technique. I don't beleive any other cast allows for a better drag free drift. It also sets the dry fly up for life like action at the end of the drift. It can also permit the angler to fish flies like the White and Yelow Hackle as emergers when the line comes tight and a swing can be added.

Vermont rivers are spate rivers and I do not have the shore line vegetation you must have as the rivers are iced in the winter and rip the shore line vegetation away from the banks with the spring time ice out. Most every river has plenty of back cast room right from shore.

Here are examples.

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Bobby, the first photo reminds me somehow of this spot of local river. Trout rivers are often similar no matter where in the world are located
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Ciao kype and nymphist, very nice rivers, but very difficult for dry fly fishing.

In these calm waters, it is all more difficult because at the drag of the fly, add the drag of the last part of leader (30/50 cm)

When we fishing, we control if our fly drag but we don't control if drag also last part of leader.

Often we think that trout don't eat our fly because it isn't right and we change many flies but the trout continue to eat the insects and it isn't interested our fly.

If we sink the leader is better.
I don't give grease at the leader, indeed the first thing I do is degrease my leader very well.

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You can have the perfect fly, tied with excellent materials but if you do not present it in the right place and in the best possible way, it serves no purpose! Massimo Magliocco

Ciao Max,

Interesting toppic - leader drag. I suppose you talk about monofilament leader, not a fluorocarbon leader?

Cheers
Alex