Do you fishing them ?

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Normally I bounce them off the leaves and hope the fly drops in . Nice photo

Your now playing in my area! I have on many occasions put a fly in to a pool eddy and riffle that most anglers would find impossible! Under bushes on the wrong side of tree roots; over and under fences and water logged branches, etc. using side cast, under cast - a rolling top water cast! Or just using the top half of the rod! So many tricks one learns when you fish small streams as often as I do. Yes I make a right mess of them sometimes, but mostly I get them just right; and reap the rewards of awkward areas, that most anglers never attempt; and I love the challenge involved when fishing on over-grown small streams.

Nice photo BTW

M

Beetles and ants work a treat under bushes. I lose a lot of flies but that's the price you pay.

Terry

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I agree with Mostyn! Nothing so rewarding as to catch a fish where no-one dares to cast, often those are the places where most of the fish end up lying in (heavily) fished rivers anyway. We call it "presenting the fly on a hankerchief"... Yes, you lose the odd fly (which is easily recuperated afterwards if you're allowed to wade), but the lessons learned in terms of casting techniques and reading the water are invaluable. Wouldn't go in there with a novice though , love to take my time facing a multiple problem (how to reach, what to present and when, what tippet size, available length of drift and how to play and land it if you succeed...), sometimes only casting after looking at it for a quarter of an hour. And if all goes well then...nothing beats the feeling!

Johan

PS i wonder if the angler in the picture tried under the bush just beside him first, looks a promising spot to me, too!!

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Me thinks you are being tested here.
Max Italy (aka Massimo Magliocco) is probably the best caster in Italy at doing this.
I know because I have attended his casting classes and seen him at work.
What he does with a small road and long leaders is absolutely amazing.
You can get an idea of it from his new DVD that we are offering on his behalf or attending one of his three classes that we are organising for him this year.
The Italians have developed 7 discreet casting techniques (that some people here call trick casts) especially for fishing in their clear overgrown rivers. They can put flies where us normal people only dream about or spend a frustrating hour trying to do.
For those of us that love small streams, short rods and light lines. A day or so with Massimo will change your fishing forever.
I look forward to this thread.

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I'm always interested in what other people use; and how the fly fish on small streams! I know quite a few extremely good (clever trick casting) anglers, whom I've watched putting a fly in an almost impossible position; and never think about it - it's part of a days fishing on a tight overgrown mountain stream! I consider myself to be lucky enough to be able to do exactly the same, if & when the need arises! I'm no expert! But, I'm happy with the way I cast and present a fly; but always respectful of other anglers and how they use their fishing equipment, also happy to learn from others (your never too old to learn) providing it costs nothing.

I'm also looking forward to this thread; and reading with great interest, whatever Massimo writes about the Italian style of fishing and casting!

M

I agree with all you but I would like know which dynamics you utilize for enter them. I ofter try with a double casts, under tip cast or superimposed cast.
In Italy we fishing very times. in those places. We based the our technique for catch of fish in places where other anglers don't cast because they have afraid to hooking up tree or branches.

On the photo a superimposed cast

And you ?

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I don't know Max, it all depends on the situation. You talk about the "superimposed cast" and in the picture (although not quite clear) i assume the whole length of the line is still in the air (hovering above the surface) and the point is posing the fly already. We (in Belgium) call it the "fly first" cast and it was taught to me by a French angler : the movement with the rod is not an overhead cast but more like you are sawing a log with a saw ie you push the rod (which is normally advocated as bad casting practice but works "wonderfully" well in this situation). It takes a bit of practice but once you understand the dynamics your fly lands first all the time. I may be wrong in this particular case but i know the cast works for me in certain situations.

Johan

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I didn't know that this type of fishing was popular in Italy. It's always interesting meeting and hearing from others from the Jungle Anglers Union!

Personally I don't think of specific casts but rather a bag of tools that we have at our disposal that we can choose from for the demands of a given situation: these tools are
1. the back cast which can be formed from a spey, switch, one of the rolls, snaps, pokes, overhead, side cast, maybe the line on the water behind the caster. Sometimes making a "position" cast before making a "delivery" cast.

2. Line trajectory: to the side, overhead, off the water.

3 D Loop placement. often the placement of the D loop for "off the water" casts may be quite far away from the body - really wherever there is space.

4. Position of the fly in relation to the line loop. It's sometimes possible to cast with the fly above the line but sometimes it's to the side and sometimes the fly is underneath the line loop.

5. Loop Control. Being able to deliver very tight loops, curves and hooks off any kind of cast is important.

6. Lot's of miscellaneous things: Letting a snake roll unwind into a gap in the vegetation, drifting a fly into position etc.

I'm sure this will be be very familiar to those of us like Mostyn who fish these overgrown rivers. We don't even think of the cast - we just see what space is available then cast - doing the best we can! Great fun! I think it's he charm of this king of fishing - constant invention.