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Old 31-12-2011, 08:28 PM
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I wonder how many salmon have escaped ?

BBC News - Loose salmon cages cause hazard for boats
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Loose salmon cages cause hazard for boats

Shetland Coastguard has appealed for help to reel in a dozen large salmon cages which have broken free of their moorings in the North Sea.

There are concerns the 30 metre-wide cages could be dangerous to navigation around the south coast of Unst.
Owners Lakeland Unst Ltd have been urged to tow them to shore, and boats in the area were also asked to help.
A coastguard spokesman said: "I doubt very much that there's any fish left in them. It will be a fair expense."
It is thought the cages, which should be filled with salmon ready for harvest and sale, were cast adrift on Christmas Eve during high winds


Sod the marine and navigation hazards; what about the irrepearable genetic damage the feral escapees will have on our precious natal stocks? To answer the question I think the escapee count averages well over a million most years. Obviously Lakeland Unst, aren't fit and proper people (incompetent) and should be shut down ASAP.
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Obviously Lakeland Unst, aren't fit and proper people (incompetent) and should be shut down ASAP.
Now that would depend on the circumstances, and their previous safety records.
Was winds of 162 mph recorded in Scotland on 24th dec.
The fact that the cages en masse have gone wandering suggests a massive failure of the sea anchors, which could only be caused by sabotage or unforseen weather conditions.
There will be no genetic damage.
They are all triploids.
there will be a "salmon bonanza" however, yet again, all around the outer islands, and parts of the mainland of northern scotland.
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The apologists for Scotish Aquaculture rear their ugly heads, again. What proof do you offer that they were 100% triploid? If they ever were that is, I understand the process, if it were applied, is not infalible. Norwegian evidence points to huge feral, and semi feral, hybridizations.
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We can only hope they are all sterile. Even so if numbers are that large as to escaped triploids then is there a risk that triploid salmon can still run the rivers and disrupt natural spawning? Shooting blanks so to speak.
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The apologists for Scotish Aquaculture rear their ugly heads, again
Let me get this straight right here right now.
I am no apologist for scottish salmon farming.
However I do have many years experience of fish farming, having done it!
There are many on here would say I am dead against Scottish salmon farming.
You might want to read some of my discussions with guy from law.
I am against sweeping condemnation of scottish businesses by key board warriors.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THIS DREADFUL INCIDENT OCCURRED, YET YOU ASK FOR AN IMMEDIATE CLOSURE OF THE BUSINESS?????
You can never guarantee that there is 100% triploidisation, but you can suggest 98%.
at least they have tried to ensure they are triploided.
This aint Norway of the late 90,s is Scotland 2011 soon to be 2012.
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We can only hope they are all sterile. Even so if numbers are that large as to escaped triploids then is there a risk that triploid salmon can still run the rivers and disrupt natural spawning? Shooting blanks so to speak.
Correct, some may run the rivers, but not in the quest to breed, purely in their following the crowd syndrome.
If they do run the rivers they aint got any urge to "shoot the blanks", cos they aint got any trigger in the first place.
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I wonder how many salmon have escaped
If full of harvestable fish of around 8 to 10 lbs, a dozen cages of this size would hold a about 175,000 lbs of fish, roughly 22,000 salmon.
Is highly unlikely that all the cages were full of simillar sized harvestable fish though, so actual numbers of individual fish might be a lot higher.
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YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THIS DREADFUL INCIDENT OCCURRED, YET YOU ASK FOR AN IMMEDIATE CLOSURE OF THE BUSINESS?????
You can never guarantee that there is 100% triploidisation, but you can suggest 98%.
at least they have tried to ensure they are triploided.

What's 98% of 2 million? Assuming 98% is correct. Meanwhile I honestly believe that this failure, and I refuse to believe it's a first, SHOULD bring about their closure. Why do you want to defend the indefendsible aenoon?
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What's 98% of 2 million? Assuming 98% is correct. Meanwhile I honestly believe that this failure, and I refuse to believe it's a first, SHOULD bring about their closure. Why do you want to defend the indefendsible aenoon?
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This is a one off incident by one company.
You immediately come on here demanding closure of said company.
Is not defending the indefensible, is purely suggesting you should use facts instead of diatribe
yes on the whole the industry needs to try to reduce losses, but for you to mouth off about a one off incident, by one company, in what was the biggest storm in living memory, would suggest you are the one that needs to remove the blinkers.
I am not defending them.
I am attacking your fish farming is wrong bias though.
Do a bit of cutting and pasting on the circumstance of this regretable incidence.
It might enlighten you.
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