Fly Fishing Forums
Go Back   Fly Fishing Forums > General Fly Fishing Forums > Salmon Fishing
Forums Register Blogs FAQ Members List Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2011, 03:08 PM
Englander's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Central Scotland
Posts: 1,374
Englander is on a distinguished road
Wink An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

Hi Guys

As i can no longer fish dry fly for Brownies and cant face stocked rainbows....... yet ive turned my attention to Salmon.

Yesterday i popped down the river armed with my 9' 6wt the first time ive ever been Salmon fishing ! I know very little about the subject. And fully expected to blank.

The river was up some what and i wasnt sure what line to use ? Floater ? Mid glass ? or Di 3 ? Seeing as i couldnt find my Di 3 so decided to use my mid glass line and 10ft leader of 10lb maxima.

Ive tied a few flies up so started with these in a place i hooked and lost a salmon whilst centre pinning a month or so back. Simply casting across and down throwing in a mend.

Click the image to open in full size.

I had no idea as to wether i was at a good spot even if there where any fish there ? When a huge salmon jumped right in the centre of the flow just down stream right where my fly had been swinging !

Whilst very exciting i was'nt sure if this was a good sign ? Is a fish acting like this likely to take a fly ? or is it just mucking about heading upstream ?

Click the image to open in full size.

After months and months of only fishing up stream dry flys, i was pleasantly surprised how much i enjoyed roll casting my flies right under over hanging trees on the far bank

Click the image to open in full size.

Even though i didnt really know what the hell i was doing i found myself fishing with confidence expecting a arm wrenching pull any minute. Didnt happen but i did get a little bonus which nailed the above fly ! The biggest fly too

Didnt catch a Salmon but enjoyed myself, im going to tie up some more flies any recommendations ??

Click the image to open in full size.

Any other pointers most welcome
__________________
Englander

"Barbless since 2008"

Vision GT Four catapult 9' 6#
Vision GT Four SW 9' 9#
Vision 3 Zone 9' 5#
Vision Cult 9' 3#
Shakespeare Trion 9' 5/6#
Cortland Endurance 9' 6#
Shakespeare Expedition float tube
Vosseler DC3 reel
Okuma Helios 8/9 reel
Greys G series 3/4 reel
Snowbee Geo 3/4 reel
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2011, 05:05 PM
fredaevans's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: White City, Oregon, USA.
Posts: 13,836
fredaevans is a jewel in the roughfredaevans is a jewel in the rough
Thumbs up Re: An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

Fun read, and the first picture (fly) is a standard pattern here for Steelhead. It's called a 'Green Butted Skunk.' Don't know when it first came into common usage but I've been using same since the 1950's. Extremely easy to tie, and very effective.
Fred
__________________
"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a
living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living." -- Anonymous
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2011, 08:17 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Linlithgow, Scotland and anywhere i can wet a line!
Posts: 2,891
aenoon is on a distinguished road
Default Re: An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

Quote:
Originally Posted by fredaevans View Post
It's called a 'Green Butted Skunk.'
You being polite Fred??

Is it not green arsed skunk (or bear)?

lol

bert
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2011, 08:28 PM
fredaevans's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: White City, Oregon, USA.
Posts: 13,836
fredaevans is a jewel in the roughfredaevans is a jewel in the rough
Wink Re: An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

Well that's what we call it on this side of Pond. Actually the 'usual' tie has a light (white) under wing.
Fred
__________________
"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a
living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living." -- Anonymous
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2011, 09:12 PM
corky's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,164
corky is on a distinguished road
Default Re: An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

Exciting stuff indeed Englander,while I am by no means expert at salmon I have had a few and I would regard that jumping fish as takeable esp if he jump on seeing your fly from 10 -15 ' away .allways worth either backing up the stream or going back up and fishing down again with same fly and then changing to smaller or bigger fly.There are numerous flies to chose from but if only for a short few weeks to seasons end the Cascade ( can also be done with gold body and flo green butt ,Stoats tail (also silver stoat ) and orange & gold shrimp fly are proven patterns.Might be worth buying as prototypes .Up the tippet accordingly and hang on.
Ferg
__________________
Tight lines to all,Ferg
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2011, 09:50 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Argyll
Posts: 235
Blog Entries: 1
ghilliejohn is on a distinguished road
Default Re: An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

A fish that has come into a 'new' pool for the first time as he journeys upstream is normally a taking fish at least until he settles down into a lye.
Very often as the fly swings around past a fish it will show itself ie:jump,many however do not have any intent on taking the fly that said and on a slightly contradictory note it is a good sign,consequent casts often picking a fish up...if the fish is unwilling to play ball - drop the size of the fly this often works.
Assuming the fish is in a lye and shown himself in the same spot several times not a 'traveller or running fish' heading upstream.
Any salmon that 'head and tail' ie: porpoise in the water their dorsal fins and backs only creasing the water surface are taking fish.
I would suggest that as the water was up and the huge salmon crashed mid flow that he was a 'runner'.
Running fish rarely take until they actually rest for a breather to salmon the river habitat constitutes two types of pool ...
'Holding and resting'.
Both pools as their title describes serve those functions.
Holding pools where salmon lye up for hours or weeks at a time.
Resting pools where running fish lye up momentarily or for a period of minutes to regain their stamina and continue upstream.
More about this at ...A GHILLIE'S TALE
Once identified which is which the fish will come to you as you will able to concentrate on those pools where you know fish should be lying up and not in water that entices fish to move through.
As salmon lye up in the same 'holes' that their forefathers and theirs before them have used for decades you will very soon learn where to find them.
Bear in mind that spate water salmon lye in different areas of the pool other to that when the river is at a normal height and flow.
Their eyesight is relatively poor 10 feet to their front would be a good estimate of clear vision.
Fish down and across the pool at 45 degrees mending the line as necessary right into the 'V' where the pool you are fishing spills into the pool below salmon like to rest right on the lip.
Striking-lift the rod into the fish.
Not all takes are 'arm wrenching' affairs in fact it is surprising just how gentle a 20 lb fish can take a fly,the angler feeling no more than a gentle pluck on the line.
Having taken the fly the salmon has to be given time to turn down and start to run with the fly or he will simply spit it out.
An immediate strike has the same result.
Once the fish is felt taking the fly a slow count to three then lift into him..it will become second nature to you quickly with experience.
If the salmon feels any resistance on taking the fly he will spit it out..
Once the cast has been made...
Fish with a six foot loop of line dangling from the reel gently trapped with your finger against the rod handle-allow the fish to take this line then simply clamp the fly line with your finger and lift into the fish.
OR
Fish off the reel-which as the title suggests,simply allow the fish to run off six feet of line or so directly from the reel before clamping the line and lifting.

Keep at it .....salmon fishing is a great sport with many surprises and full of exitement.

Tight lines for the future salmon ventures.
John

A GHILLIE'S TALE
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2011, 11:13 AM
Englander's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Central Scotland
Posts: 1,374
Englander is on a distinguished road
Default Re: An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

Cheers Guys

Great stuff there and not much time left to learn it But i will keep at it weather permitting..........

Tied up a few more to go with my Stoat tails, Allys Shrimps and Silver stoats

Collie Dog , i think ...............

Click the image to open in full size.

Parks Shrimp.......... Enjoyed tying these

Click the image to open in full size.

And an North American thingy i just like the look of

Click the image to open in full size.
__________________
Englander

"Barbless since 2008"

Vision GT Four catapult 9' 6#
Vision GT Four SW 9' 9#
Vision 3 Zone 9' 5#
Vision Cult 9' 3#
Shakespeare Trion 9' 5/6#
Cortland Endurance 9' 6#
Shakespeare Expedition float tube
Vosseler DC3 reel
Okuma Helios 8/9 reel
Greys G series 3/4 reel
Snowbee Geo 3/4 reel
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 10-10-2011, 09:20 AM
BrownieBasher's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London UK
Posts: 2,130
BrownieBasher is on a distinguished road
Default Re: An Idiot goes Salmon fishing !

I would echo John's comments. In my experience, a jumping fish, while exciting to see, will rarely, if ever, take the fly, but if one rolls in the pool, or 'head and tails' it's time to get VERY excited. If you move a fish, rest him a little, and try a fly the size down provided you didn't ***** him, he should come again.
Reply With Quote
Reply





Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Idiot Guide :) blood UK Stillwater Updates 3 09-12-2009 10:03 PM
Info for idiot paramedicpete Tackle Talk 6 03-06-2006 09:55 AM






All times are GMT. The time now is 08:54 PM.


Loading...
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
2006-2011 Fish&Fly Ltd