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Old 11-07-2011, 12:57 PM
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:19 PM
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Moreover, it is morally wrong, in a country with a high population density
You talking about Scotland?
The country with the lowest population density in the U.k?
Sure landowners dont want scores of rafters traipsing over their land and disturbing their fishing.
Mainly because rafters/canoeists et al dont pay a penny towards upkeep of said access/river.
Would you let them traipse through your back garden, knock down the fence, just to get into river?, and let you foot bill for repairs. again, and again, and again--------------
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i dont think so.
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:08 AM
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In most cases the Landowners are charging for wild fishing only and the sum total of their input into the environment is a stile!

This issue is unlikely to be determined on a technicality either. The issue is a moral one and, in any event, the documentation (deeds?), which the Landowners purport gives them such exclusivity, will be written in medieval Scottish and will be highly ambiguous (will not stand up in Court).
You obviously dont know very much about angling on fishing estates in Scotland, or indeed Scottish law.
so we will just leave you as ignorant as you were before your post.
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Hi had to laugh when I read, in this months Trout & Salmon, that rafting has finally thwarted the greedy estate owner's efforts to jealously guard access to the mighty river Tay.

Up yours, I say!

For too long, the the greedy owners of fishing rights in Scotland (and, indeed, elswhere) have jealously guarded their stretches of river, happily taking the highest bidder's rents and giving, effectively, nothing back. Such selfish denial of access to the land (particularly land such as rivers, which ought to have been long regarded as common land) is, in my humble opinion, wrong.

Up the rafters. HURRAH!!!!!


Moreover, it is morally wrong, in a country with a high population density, for such landowners to auction off access to the countryside to the highest bidder. The fact that there are fish in that river is no excuse where the fish are wild.
Are you Anti bloodsports per chance ?, just thought i would ask
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No, but I am anti aristocracy and, in particular, I think many estate owners are onto a racket charging us rent simply to walk over their land to access the river corridor and the wild fish that just so happen to live there.

I support the caneoning lobby (particularly the caneoning lobby in England). Any increase in access to our rivers can only benefit us as anglers (better access to the river corridors, less pollution and, potentially, free fishing for wild fish).

The other side of the coin is that some of the rafting/ caneoning brigade are a clumsy/ noisey rabble, but, on the whole, I have found them to be entirely reasonable.
Ianm - suggest you don't let anyone who fishes the Wye hear you say that. It is a river ruined by the floating rabble.
Also, I suspect you're a floater yourself? Your ignorance of the impacts of canoeists is staggering so you must have a vested interest...

My experience is they are by and large a very inconsiderate bunch - happy to not only come very close to you if you're sitting mid-river, but also stop for a natter with their friends in the middle of your pool.

Also, your views that somehow owning the land and fishing rights is somehow different from your wee townie garden is again, fundamentally flawed.
When does a garden stop being a garden? When it's in the country? When it's larger than yours? When it's got something on it you want?

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No, but I am anti aristocracy and, in particular, I think many estate owners are onto a racket charging us rent simply to walk over their land to access the river corridor and the wild fish that just so happen to live there.

I support the caneoning lobby (particularly the caneoning lobby in England). Any increase in access to our rivers can only benefit us as anglers (better access to the river corridors, less pollution and, potentially, free fishing for wild fish).
The other side of the coin is that some of the rafting/ caneoning brigade are a clumsy/ noisey rabble, but, on the whole, I have found them to be entirely reasonable.
Can you please explain yourself as to how this will benefit the ecosystem. I would think that it would be rather detrimental. Causing more pollution, more fish killed and more disturbance of spawning fish if you want to share the bank and the river with peole who do not give a toss about it's future then that is very shortsighted.
I'm assuming you would like free fishing, well it might be free but it won't be very good.
On another point why the anti aristocracy stance? People have and will always own things, to get upset about someone elses property strikes me as jealousy, it's not constructive in any way and you can't change it.
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The issue of canoeists is clearly one that is of great concern to many British anglers and that raises great passions. However, I have to say I largely agree with IanM here. In particular there is a larger moral argument here than the needs of anglers even if it is detremental to them. I'd also note that I've fished several contries that allow canoeists and had few problems.
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