advice please, I use a 3 turn water knot to create droppers but they seem to wrap around the leader on the majority of casts.- would a stiffer material help to tie the dropper. They do not get knotted just wrapped around the leader and much time is spent unwrapping before each cast - there must be an answer thanks

What are you using for a leader? and what breaking strain are you using.

yh a stiff Fluro or nylon about 8lbs imo and keep the droppers short about 6inches and make sure the top tag you cut off is as close as u can get without the knot failing you, i usually start with a dropper about 9 inches if i dont know what there taking and then aim for a dropper of only a few inches with the killer fly by top tag i mean tag closest the fly line

Some will disagree, but i have noticed the same problem with using water knots. The problem seeming to be that the lower tag end, lies at a very shallow angle to the leader, thus prone to wrapping round it.

Try the Double Grinner knot, a safe reliable knot, but the lower tag end is still close to the leader, so still the same problem. This knot involves 2 separate knots on the leader, that are then drawn together to lock in place.

If you take one or maybe both of the tag ends and thread it/them between the 2 parallel lengths of leader that is between the 2 knots, when the 2 knots are drawn together, the tag end/s will stand out at 90 degrees. This will help to keep the dropper from wrapping round the leader.

Here is a good link for the double grinner, just tuck one or both (for cushioning) of the tag ends through the 2 parallel sections of leader after wrapping the knots, trim off the tag you don't want:

Flyfishing Knot Directory - Double Grinner knot

I don,t know if this is already known, came up with it myself and it seems good so far! Can't see any serious strangulation issues, let me know if i'm wrong please, i trust this knot! Any other ideas besides using 8lb nylon?

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am using either a fullimng mill 8 or 6 strain or Riverge 5

When you tie the water knot tie a hitch then the dropper will stand out more at a right angle shorter droppers and stiff nylon like maxima or tynex does help solve the problem also

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