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Old 30-07-2010, 10:10 PM
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I've just finished watching the above DVD (a promo for AIrflo that came in TF), an d to be quite honest I was disgraced at the so-called Catch&Release tactics employed by both anglers.
Iain Barr consistantly manhandles fish with dry hands, both anglers allowing fish to flap around on the boat floor and (although I can't be certain) appear to be usig barbed hooks.
They then continue to try and give advice on allowing fish a bit of time to recover!!! This DVD is intended to give advice to beginners and more experienced anglers-what sort of message are they giving out? Surely Mr Barr can afford to debarb a few of his competition flies for an promo video and I would hate to think that he has no knowledge of the damage that dry hands can inflict on his quarry.
Professionals of this level must use this sort of video to promote careful C&R to help educate all, or this sort of manhandling will continue to be deemed acceptable.
I'll step down of ma soapbox now,
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never rated matt hayes and as for ian barr the king of stockie bashing, well the less said the better,
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Where did that feeling of deja' vu come from?
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I've just finished watching the above DVD (a promo for AIrflo that came in TF), an d to be quite honest I was disgraced at the so-called Catch&Release tactics employed by both anglers.
Iain Barr consistantly manhandles fish with dry hands, both anglers allowing fish to flap around on the boat floor and (although I can't be certain) appear to be usig barbed hooks.
They then continue to try and give advice on allowing fish a bit of time to recover!!! This DVD is intended to give advice to beginners and more experienced anglers-what sort of message are they giving out? Surely Mr Barr can afford to debarb a few of his competition flies for an promo video and I would hate to think that he has no knowledge of the damage that dry hands can inflict on his quarry.
Professionals of this level must use this sort of video to promote careful C&R to help educate all, or this sort of manhandling will continue to be deemed acceptable.
I'll step down of ma soapbox now,
Sadly these "Pro" anglers with all their clout are not on their own when it comes to handling fish.

Now, much as i admire Hywell Morgan, it disturbs me that in all his vids on the link below, not once does he wet his hands before handling fish. In one of the vids, if memory serves me right, he actually grabs a small grayling and then clutches it to his dry, designer clothing Maybe episode 9

Hywel Morgan On Fishing - Episode 1 | Horse & Country TV website | H&C TV
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Think you'll find this one has been done to death, already.

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You can unhook a fish in the water, hold it up for a second and then release it. But Ian clearly couldn't be bothered to get up off his ar$e to do that. He also demonstrated a disgusting attitude to me. Using 10lb line and hauling them in. Each fish was just a number to him. Its sad
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never rated matt hayes and as for ian barr the king of stockie bashing, well the less said the better,
I totally agree with you Liam, say no more.....
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Sorry guys for bringing this up again, I should have done a search first. Could not believe the last thread on this topic, a whole eleven pages worth.
Having read all of the post regarding this it seemed to me that many were missing the point completely. It wasn't intended to be a direct go at Iain Barr and his skill/title and ethics it was more an observation of the lack of information and technique shown in the video that got my goat. All of us that practise C&R should show some compassion for our quarry, what was demonstrated on the video was amaturish at best and should certainly not have been endorsed by T&S. Sorry if this is rattling some feathers again.
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Now I don't usually read Total Flyfisher or Trout Fisherman but having been away on holiday for a week I bought both in order to while away some time (turned out to be minutes). As a consequence I've watched the DVD and to be perfectly frank (sorry Frank!) I fail to see what has promoted this outpouring of angst and 'moral' outrage. If rainbow trout are half as 'fragile' as some posters are suggesting then I'm afraid we shouldn't be fishing for them at all.

Yes, we should treat our quarry with respect and I saw no evidence in the DVD that either angler was disrespectful. I've witnessed trout being kicked up banks, thrown flapping into the bottom of boats, having hooks ripped out of them - that's the sort of behaviour that should be condemned. I did however, notice that fish were being supported in the water until recovered.

Barbed hooks! Trout flapping in a knotless net! No video evidence of wet hands!

This, and the previous thread on this subject, does however raise a more interesting dilemma .... do the majority of current posters know a lot about very little ... or very little about a lot?
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Now I don't usually read Total Flyfisher or Trout Fisherman but having been away on holiday for a week I bought both in order to while away some time (turned out to be minutes). As a consequence I've watched the DVD and to be perfectly frank (sorry Frank!) I fail to see what has promoted this outpouring of angst and 'moral' outrage. If rainbow trout are half as 'fragile' as some posters are suggesting then I'm afraid we shouldn't be fishing for them at all.

Yes, we should treat our quarry with respect and I saw no evidence in the DVD that either angler was disrespectful. I've witnessed trout being kicked up banks, thrown flapping into the bottom of boats, having hooks ripped out of them - that's the sort of behaviour that should be condemned. I did however, notice that fish were being supported in the water until recovered.

Barbed hooks! Trout flapping in a knotless net! No video evidence of wet hands!

This, and the previous thread on this subject, does however raise a more interesting dilemma .... do the majority of current posters know a lot about very little ... or very little about a lot?
Agree entirely Lighthouse.
All this moral indignation over nothing.
I often wonder if some posters actually fish, how could they put a hook into a fish and drag it through the water, net it and sometimes knock it on the head until dead.

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