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Old 04-06-2010, 01:30 PM
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Hi All, Iv'e bounced some threads on flyforums and had some huge responses, which shows how popular this site is. As Ennio put it I have a lot of threads running, but, Why?

Think of this. When someone puts a question out, they genuinely want an honest answer to something that is troubling them, in some way. You lads and lasses (Haven't seen any yet) have a unique insight into a world where, me for instance, is twenty years behind the curve for casting knowledge.

Don't get me wrong, I know some things and can tie an adequate fly, but to get the fly to the fish with a good cast takes time, patience and lots of practise.

Instructors are the base of the teaching pyriamid, that forms a sound point from which to begin a lifetime of fun, hilarity and dashed hopes. Why don't you offer your services for, say Corporate Eventing. You know, a few of you get together at a chosen venue. Entertain some of us and pass on some valuable insight into what we crave. I don't mean the annual BFFI or other attraction either.

I couldn't tell you what a Snap 't' was, Iv'e heard of it, but that doesn't mean I understand why it's used. Things like would be fantastic, pick a suitable location, River or Stillwater. Get invites to individuals and see what surfaces. Times are changing and we are rising out of the money problems we saw several months ago, yet no-one is moving on this.

I think you know what lines I think along by now, youv'e seen the threads. Does any one have any sound ideas for this? I know there are sound very entertaining chaps here, who could encourage others to start down this road.

I'll leave this with you, but, this is your business and if you don't look at what you could do for yourselves and others. Then why become an Instructor?
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:52 PM
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I'm up for it smudger - all you need to do is organise things and PAY me !

I really have had enough of doing good work for charity - these days I want bad work for money - and you maybe wouldn't believe just how hard instructing is if you are doing it properly - but what do I know , I've only had 36 years at it !

Let's try for what my son in law is on - Consulting for BP - £400 plus exes a day !

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Smudger, your enthusiasm is becoming a forum experience casting instructors do have to use imagination to make their time pay, an hours lesson out of their day job is not exactly convenient,
there are various new ways of doing things popping up, Glasgow and Fife casting clubs introduce professional instruction for all levels in a relaxed, friendly environment more or less free and without profit,
Alberto Laidlaw(of glasgow casting club) trialled a private indoor casting clinic which drew different people from the original which was interesting,
corporate eventing tends to be actual fishing, there is a degree if instruction there where necessary, this is pretty widely advertised already,

be interesting what other suggestions pop up, i think you will find instructors only to happy to take part.
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I'll leave this with you, but, this is your business and if you don't look at what you could do for yourselves and others. Then why become an Instructor?
There's only a few guys in the country that can manage that one full time. There's many reason why someone might want to be an instructor.

As an aside take the glasgow casting club for example, there's 4/5 instructors there week in, week out not getting paid. It's enjoyable and good fun, good fun is probably as good a reason as any to do it!

I like your ideas and like Steve, if you'll organise and pay me, I'm in

EDIT: Just noticed Ohanzee has posted before me about the glasgow casting club. Too slow obviously

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Hi All, Iv'e bounced some threads on flyforums and had some huge responses, which shows how popular this site is. As Ennio put it I have a lot of threads running, but, Why?

Think of this. When someone puts a question out, they genuinely want an honest answer to something that is troubling them, in some way. You lads and lasses (Haven't seen any yet) have a unique insight into a world where, me for instance, is twenty years behind the curve for casting knowledge.

Don't get me wrong, I know some things and can tie an adequate fly, but to get the fly to the fish with a good cast takes time, patience and lots of practise.

Instructors are the base of the teaching pyriamid, that forms a sound point from which to begin a lifetime of fun, hilarity and dashed hopes. Why don't you offer your services for, say Corporate Eventing. You know, a few of you get together at a chosen venue. Entertain some of us and pass on some valuable insight into what we crave. I don't mean the annual BFFI or other attraction either.

I couldn't tell you what a Snap 't' was, Iv'e heard of it, but that doesn't mean I understand why it's used. Things like would be fantastic, pick a suitable location, River or Stillwater. Get invites to individuals and see what surfaces. Times are changing and we are rising out of the money problems we saw several months ago, yet no-one is moving on this.

I think you know what lines I think along by now, youv'e seen the threads. Does any one have any sound ideas for this? I know there are sound very entertaining chaps here, who could encourage others to start down this road.

I'll leave this with you, but, this is your business and if you don't look at what you could do for yourselves and others. Then why become an Instructor?
I will gladly offer any assisance i can a charity and corporate dos. I guide for corporates at Lechlade reglarly, and love the day out. If i can get away on the day, i'll always do it.

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smudger, by reading the posts already you will get an indication that instructors are not shy to get involved,
instructors are used to the dillema that getting involved = working for free,

there is a case for instructors marketing themselves more imaginitively but until its valued in real money many will not be able to risk the time.
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Smudger,
I think you will find there are many events where forum mebers get together and share their skills.
An example is my grayling days , often I have the privelege of taking a river "virgin" onto a stream i have been fishing of and on since the 70s.
there I will do my damdest to get them ,fishing well and hopefully catching.just an aside there is a space for a rod next sunday ,top mayfly dry fishing.
the other example that springs to mind is the Monnow Social ,where a crowd of anglers get together and share some wonderful company, fishing, food, knowledge , ideas,opinions ,bulls**t,and the odd wee drink,not to mention paracetamol!
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Smudger I am all for it but let me tell you this. After Alberto Started the Glasgow Club I thought it was a great Idea so started one in Fife. I now get on Average 15 people a week. I thought that it was that a good Idea, I then sent a flyer offering our services at local fisheries for very little money, in fact no cost to the fishery managers/owners. Out of 20 letters sent i received not 1 reply not even a response. The fishery i use in Fife (Fortsprings near Kennoway) now almost closes on a monday night to give me room. Most of the people that come to the club now use the fishery to fish,so it does do some good for business.So fishery owners have to get involved aswell.

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Smudger I am all for it but let me tell you this. After Alberto Started the Glasgow Club I thought it was a great Idea so started one in Fife. I now get on Average 15 people a week. I thought that it was that a good Idea, I then sent a flyer offering our services at local fisheries for very little money, in fact no cost to the fishery managers/owners. Out of 20 letters sent i received not 1 reply not even a response. The fishery i use in Fife (Fortsprings near Kennoway) now almost closes on a monday night to give me room. Most of the people that come to the club now use the fishery to fish,so it does do some good for business.So fishery owners have to get involved aswell. Brian

it is unfortunate that fisheries dont recognise a golden goose when they go out of their way to bring them potential business, a casting club that can then, when ready, practice catching sounds great,
perhaps they are too busy already.
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Especially in the PNW. These type of events are almost a weekly deal; some like the Sandy River Spey 'Clave, are annual events which thousands of folks attend. The the case of the latter, the very best of the very best are at your 'beck and call' for the better part of three days.

At some ... they even provide all your meals! Cost? Free or just a small fee for the Park entry.

This link is the 'Grand-Daddie' of the US 2-hander world: Sandy River Spey Clave
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