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Old 28-05-2010, 04:52 PM
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I have got really confused and some advice would be appreciated.
I intend to start fishing rivers/brooks. My club has some excellent waters on the Aire at Gargrave and the beck that runs through Broughton estate. I would like to have a go on the Wharf too.
My problem...which rod length and line weight. The Aire is quite narrow and the becks we have are overgrown. Whereas the wharf is quite wide. I have a very limited budget, and would like to buy/swap something which will tackle all these waters. I cannot afford several rods. Waders will have to wait for a while.
I currently possess a 9'6 7 weight for the stillwaters (too heavy for the wharf?) and an 8 weight 9 foot orvis which is far too posh for me and is new and unused.
Any advice gratefully received.

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Old 28-05-2010, 05:17 PM
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Is there no one you could borrow some kit from so you could try out all the rivers? You may find you like fishing a particular river more than the others and it becomes your regular haunt, then you'll only have to buy an outfit that suits that river.
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Old 28-05-2010, 05:20 PM
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You're right in that your two existing rods are not really suitable for smaller river fishing.

Given what you've described and the limited budget, I think you need to go with a versatile setup that doesn't exactly suit any specific conditions but will work acceptably in many.

I'd suggest an 8.5 foot #5. The 8.5 foot is short enough to work reasonably well on small brooks, but long enough to give you suitable reach-out for medium sized waters. The #5 line has enough heft that it will cast well in a breeze, but light enough to give good presentation on small rivers.

The 8.5 to 9 foot #5 is the universal trout rod that will work almost everywhere in the world where there are trout to be caught. Not always the best choice, but never the worst, you can always make a #5 work. In your case I'd stick to the 8.5 foot length, I think it gives you a little more small stream flexibility and you don't sacrifice much because long casts are seldom necessary and are often a bad idea in small/med river fishing.

Keep in mind, on overgrown streams you can usually find a way to side-arm or roll cast if overhead casting isn't possible. Obviously, this is where a sub 7.5 foot rod really comes into its own, but now we're getting into specialist tools and their corresponding lack in versatility.

It isn't necessary or desirable to get a hyper-fast action in a river rod. Middle to middle tip actions, for a variety of reasons, are better choices for river fishing.

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Old 28-05-2010, 05:53 PM
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Thank you Famous Grouse...reading that was like walking from thick fog into total sunshine!
Many thanks
Do you have any recommendations as to which rod to buy?
Tickle....thanks for the thoughts, unfortunately borrowing other peoples gear would worry the life out of me. You break it, you pay for it etc!

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Old 28-05-2010, 06:24 PM
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Grouse's advice is sound. I'd also add that you might want to think about streaching the budget to waders. I don't know the rivers you intend to fish but if they are overgrown then sometimes the only way to cover the fish is from in the water.

Buy a cheap Fladden Vantage or a Shakey rod, a cheap reel and a pirate / barrio line. It will get you started without breaking the bank - probably for less than £60 and then buy a set of waders.

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Old 28-05-2010, 06:37 PM
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Dave, I'm USA-based, so I don't' think specific recommendations from this side of the pond are going to do you much good. Also, there are so many good rods these days in the low/moderate price range that it's really very difficult to go wrong.

I would say it's more important to find something locally or something you can get quickly by mail and then get fishing. There's no point in overthinking a general purpose rod and as I said there are so many good rods on the market in the middle price range these days that it's splitting hairs to try to determine any significant advantages between rods.

The forum member Gromit and his Ian Woods shop in Morpeth get consistently top marks for products, price, and speed, so if you don't have a local shop option, you could probably get a rod setup out of Gromit and be fishing next week with it. Keeping in mind, you'll also need a line and a reel, but again I wouldn't go nuts with either of these. Small river fishing is about technique, water reading ability, presentation and stealth. No style points are awarded.

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