Hi

I have been using braided loops for a few years now to connect leader to fly line. The problem I have is that after I have attached a loop i.e. thread it on, pull over the sleeve and glue it in place, it all looks fine, but having fished it a number of times it seems as if the line is hinging on the connection where the sleeve is and this is causing the line to crack open exposing the inner core. Probably not a problem in terms of the line snapping, doubt very much this would happen. However the exposed core could allow water ingress in to the line allowing it to sink (sorry talking floating lines here). Not sure if anyone has any information on how to get round this problem. I think I read somwhere you can whip the loop in place, by wrapping thread and around line and end of the loop connection, this would certainly add strength and provide flexibility at the joint. If anyone has any photos and instruction on how to do this that would be splendid, thanks.

The problem might be occuring because I am pushing in about 4 inches of flyline in to the loop, consequently it becomes quite stiff and could cause this hinging.

Throw away the rubber sleeve and whip that end of the braided loop, so that the "frayed" ends are covered, glue and varnish.

Charlie

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Thanks for the replies guys - I may just go back to the nail knotting a piece of heave monfil in to the end of the fly line. Its a good method providing that nylon is kept an eye over time as it can take a battering. Cheers for the advice.

I used to suffer this problem when using the longer braided loops. I now use the Roman Moser Minicom loops, a bit more expensive, but it seems to have cured the problem.

Literally just finished the needle knotting 12lb Drennan Flurocarbon in to my WF 7 F line. Easy, here's some instruction for anyone interested:

Push a needle in to the end of the fly line and come out one side after 3 or 4mm. Heat the needle - hot enough so it starts to twist the line. Let the needle cool - take it out. Thread in the Fluro and perform a needle knot, its a bit ackward with heavy nylon ( I only managed 3 maybe 4 turns). Pull tight and varnish. Jobs a good un. I'll test this at the weekend - I think the fluro will snap before I breaks this knot and it passes through the rings smooth. You can't beat some of the old methods and they are cheaper than buying loads of stuff you don't need. Thanks Pitsford Pirate for reminding me about the old needle knot.

Cut the braided loop down to 4ins insert a dubbing needle and touch with a cigarette lighter to wrinkle the frayed bits.thread 1/2ins of silicon tube on to braid with mono."Caterpillar" the fly line as far as it will go into braid and trim the frayed bits slide down silicon tube over joint and build up layers of super glue into a bead to protect the tube

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Just this season I have moved away from using braided loops for floating lines, even the Roman Moser mini loops have a tendency to pull the tip of my floating lines under, started using the Gray's loop method from Pirates thread, bingo problem solved

Plumpy.