Hi Guy's,
We Have a bit of debate on our water at the moment about trolling from the back of the boats. We have 6 boats at preasent and they are all rowing boats.The debate is this, if a member is rowing the boat and another member is fishing from the back of the boat whilst it is in motion, is this classed as trolling
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Tam

Yes, definitely.

Yes that is trolling.

Casting and retrieving or just hanging on with the line over the stern? Is the boat moving into the wind, across the wind, with the wind or is there no wind?

If they're hanging on, over the stern, being rowed around the water then yes, I'd say they were trolling ( or trailing to be correct ). If the scenario is different then yes, you have a debate.

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Well... if you look at the Seatrouting Techniques of the Early 20th Century in the Great Hamish Stuart's books you may have slightly to disagree because he came up effectively with a slow speed sort of backing up a beat or drift on a loch .

Fishing sideways and round and across behind the boat .

I've never been rich enough to employ a Ghillie to do this for me even though I've fished those waters on the Uists where Stuart did his seminal work - and elsewhere - but I wish I had have been .

I think speed comes into it somewhere and frequency of casting , because traditional control by a Ghillie with oars definitely isn't trolling .

What fun they're going to have deciding the Rules Of Trolling !

Best wishes

Steve parton

Really? I'd have said anything over the stern while the boat is under power (either from a motor or oars) is quite rightly frowned upon, regardless of wind direction in relation to the motion of the boat or whether the angler is retrieving or not.

While I agree it may not be in the rules of all fisheries, it's not something I would ever dream of doing.

I wouldn't care to try it in a competition, I reckon you would find out fairly lively if its considered trolling

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FIPPS MOUCHE competition rules, state that lines may only be cast when the drogue is set, and the paddles or oars are out of the water. Lines may only be cast towards the drift, and once drift of the boat passes the line and leader, it is considered trailing, and illegal. A fish caught at this point, is not counted.

What, exactly, is the objection to trailing? Is it just a question of etiquette and tradition? Like the "dry fly only" rule on some streams? Or is there a more serious fishery management type reason why it's not the done thing? Not stirring. Just curious.

Not so I'm afraid Stuart, it's not quite that simple. I think it's fair to say that 'traditional' boat technique owes its origins to the lochs and loughs and tradition would have it that the Gillie took his clients to where the fish were. At times this would involve a 'broadside' drift, with correction using oars in a favourable wind but, more often, success relied on the Gillie rowing his clients along the lee shore, either across or into the wind whilst they fished and their flies naturally described an arc that gravitated to the stern.

There is a world of difference between resting rods on the thwarts and rowing about and 'fishing' from a moving boat. Logically, what makes fishing 'acceptable' from a boat moved by the wind but not when moved by oars? What do you do in a boat in a flat calm? Is it not acceptable to take it in turns - one moving the boat forwards and one fishing? Is that trolling? I don't think so.

Trolling is leaving your line over the back of the boat and motoring / rowing upwind to the start of the drift or to a new location. I could tell you stories about some very famous names from the 70's and '80s on this subject.

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