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Old 04-05-2010, 03:11 PM
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What kind of catch numbers would keep your fishery in business... if say a percentage of bag-up's would see you in the red... what would this be? Yes, I'm getting at certain methods allowed but, if you owners allow easy fishing, how long can / could you survive... Everyone knows my thoughts on float fishing and a recent email from Jason @ Toft Newton fishing report announces its fishing its head off for the float boys n buzzers

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Old 04-05-2010, 03:31 PM
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An interesting question Martin and I can only answer on mine.catch and release is a big thing these days and catch tickets taken,does seem to depend on size of fish in the water,the bigger the fish the more catch tickets are taken,less big fish more catch and release tickets taken.

Its not so much the method your talking about ,but what is under it and also the skill of the person or persons using it.By this I mean when they strike ,some do it so hard and dont hook the fish and count it as a missed fish, but the fact is ,they have hooked it but struck that hard taking half the mouth off it in the process,leaving a damaged fish soon to be dead,when the bacteria in the water get at it.

In the right hands ,I dont see a problem with the method itself.Every individual being different and expectations of each are different also.Some are happy with a fish,some want 20 and 30.If the middle ground could be found 6 to 8 fish a day is a good day,better on a dry fly or buzzer without indicators,but each to their own and the standards they desire or ego they wish to attain.I d rather see an angler catch 6 fish on a dry fly than 30 on the indicator method,but that is only my feelings and I am not against indicators,only the part where it is always the method used by an angler where skills and th eart of flyfishing ,like dry fly, nymph,buzzers and even pulling a lure are lost as this is all they know.Plus added to the loss of the art of true fly casting with a nice loop,goes also.
I had a guy today who wanted to go fishing with an indicator and it was a sea float!!!!!,He saw nothing wrong with it as others had indicators on and he was only following their lead.Sadly we as managers reap what we sow.
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How much do you earn Captain??....well you want an honest answer.
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An interesting question Martin and I can only answer on mine.catch and release is a big thing these days and catch tickets taken,does seem to depend on size of fish in the water,the bigger the fish the more catch tickets are taken,less big fish more catch and release tickets taken.

Its not so much the method your talking about ,but what is under it and also the skill of the person or persons using it.By this I mean when they strike ,some do it so hard and dont hook the fish and count it as a missed fish, but the fact is ,they have hooked it but struck that hard taking half the mouth off it in the process,leaving a damaged fish soon to be dead,when the bacteria in the water get at it.

In the right hands ,I dont see a problem with the method itself.Every individual being different and expectations of each are different also.Some are happy with a fish,some want 20 and 30.If the middle ground could be found 6 to 8 fish a day is a good day,better on a dry fly or buzzer without indicators,but each to their own and the standards they desire or ego they wish to attain.I d rather see an angler catch 6 fish on a dry fly than 30 on the indicator method,but that is only my feelings and I am not against indicators,only the part where it is always the method used by an angler where skills and th eart of flyfishing ,like dry fly, nymph,buzzers and even pulling a lure are lost as this is all they know.Plus added to the loss of the art of true fly casting with a nice loop,goes also.
I had a guy today who wanted to go fishing with an indicator and it was a sea float!!!!!,He saw nothing wrong with it as others had indicators on and he was only following their lead.Sadly we as managers reap what we sow.
Sorry Kevin but I'm not interested in how its done... (a chimp can do it) I'm saying if everyone took fish using a certain method... could you survive? Not all fisheries allow C&R...

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Sorry Kevin but I'm not interested in how its done... (a chimp can do it) I'm saying if everyone took fish using a certain method... could you survive? Not all fisheries allow C&R...

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Ok sorry to go off on a tangent,to answer your question it would be a NO,a fishery would not be able to survive if everyone caught their limit and took fish home.Catch and release is a part of it which does help,but it has to compliment the catch ticket for a little profit to be made.There is no fortunes in a fishery and anyone believeing there is,needs to think again.

If you take a 2 fish ticket at £15,cost of 2 fish say at 2lbs each would be £10
plus take off your Vat which is non recoverable leaves a profit of £2.375.
Lighting wages etc,a fishery would not last long when all this is taken into account.When you also consider if they were bigger fish then no profit at all.
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Its not the fishery rod average that matters (that includes fish returned) its the rod average for the fish killed / taken is the one that matters to the fishery manager, thats the one that relates to the price he pitches his permit.

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