I have been tying klinhammers since mid season last year and have had good results with them when fished new zeland style
I always fish barbless and the barbs are either crushed at the tying bench or at the water side, this includes my klinhammers but i am worried incase when fishing NZ style the fish manages to slip the mono off the barbless hook
Has this happend to anyone yet ?
Or am i just being stupid ?
Any comments would be good
Thanks

I usually have the dry on a short dropper, mainly because I think that having line running from the hook bend must reduce the number of hook ups to fish taking the dry. Certainly most of the guides I have fished with adopt this approach. It will also avoid the risk of the mono slipping off the hook.

Regards

Peter

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i agree fish the klinkie on a dropper.

If your tying the klinkies yourself, add a loop of nylon to the fly, so that it hangs out the back, and tie your other fly to that instead of the hook.
Or
Use a tucked blood knot to tie onto the hook bend (easy and very unlikely to slip)

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There is very little risk I think.
If you think about it, the risk if the line is tight at all times is as good or better than the barbless hook which is holding in the trout mouth.
The only time barbless hooks comes out is when the line to allowed to go slack. So keep a tight line and all will be fine I say.

Gary

As well as better hook ups to the Klink, another good reason for having it on a dropper is that the sub surface fly sinks the dropper length and some of the leader.

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.....but then it's not New Zealand style, is it? He asked specifically about NZ style.

Troutbumnathan, think about it..... barb or not, how is the nymph section of line going to get pulled in the direction of the fly line?

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Ok, he is concerned about the mono slipping off the bend of the barbless hook. I am sure many of us here fear the same. That is just ONE reason why some of us have suggested using a dropper instead, rather than slavishly follow the NZ route.

IMO, it is valid to include alternative methods which produce the same presentation, but with arguably safer outcomes regarding hook ups and slipping knots, as well as the ever present problem of visible, floating mono affecting the presentation of the top fly. Don,t tell me that Fullers earth, flouro etc cures that!

In other words, you don't need to resort to the NZ method if you don't think it is either safe or can give bad presentation. Use a short dropper or a barbed hook. ....No, don't use a barbed hook!

Oh, and a fish in my experience does not always pull against the line or the hook bend, VERY often they swim towards, so troutbumnathan is right to be concerned!

The discussion has rightfully been widened, without which, the responses would be various comments about what knot is best to encircle a smooth length of curved wire with no stopping point, tying the tippet to the fly body, tying a dodgy loop into the fly for f***k* sake. Who has lost fish, who hasn't lost fish, etc, etc.

Good post Nathan, you got us rising to this issue!

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In terms of trade off, I would have thought that the NZ style would give a better indication of a fish taking the nymph though, as the nymph is tied directly to the Klink?

There is a definite negative though - i lost loads of fish to the klink last year because ( I think ) they must feel the line from the klink to the nymph as they go for the Klink......maybe it touches the sensitive lateral line or something ?

Either way, once I started using flies like Griffiths to fish as dries on their own, my dry fly work started to pay off far more ....and with better fish too 9( still small though! )

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Been using is for years and have never had the dropper slide of the hook. There may be pros and cons for this method but this certainly isn't a con in my experience.

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