I understand that the NZ or duo is effective on my local river but something puzzles me about the technique. I am a coarse angler of 30 years or so and I would be constantly adjusting the depth of the hookbait which in the case of the Duo would be the nymph on the tippet. So do you use some form of sliding arrangement on the dropper that the dry is tied to? That way you can adjust the depth that the nymph is fished at to suit the fish or the swim or better still both! I am sure that there must be a few ways of doing this - so which is best?

Conrad

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Hi Conrad. If there are varying depths of water you can tie your klink or dry on with this knot. It must be tied on above a tippet knot. Hope this helps

A sliding float 'thingumyblobbywotsit' usually works Conrad as in coarse fishing.... But your question is a fair one... normally the 'dry fly'(/Float) is 'fixed' when duo or trio fishing... I'm sure with your coarse fishing background like me, you will suss-out the way forward mate!... did you sort your flies out?

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From your coarse fishing days you may recognise this as a sliding stop knot used when slider float fishing.

P

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Not so sure that i would be mad keen on a sliding knot..... Especially in NZ as the fish can be bloody big and i'd rather have everything fixed..

Generally when fishing this style i don't have to keep adjusting all day long.. Typically i would fish 4 to 5 foot between the flies. I guess if the water becomes faster we often change the nymph accordingly. i.e. a heavier nymph, with 6 or so turns lf lead on the body and a tungsten bead, or an unweighted or at least much less weighted nymph where the water is slower and or shallower.
This way you regulate the speed in which your fly drops.

If the water is fast & deeper we often would put on two nymphs below the dry, a smaller size 14 or 16 about 12" below a size 10 or 12 heavily weighted nymph. You would be surprized at the numbers of fish that would take the size 16......and big fish too!!

i should add that my experience of this style of fishing is all from NZ..... not europe.. so it may not work so well here with our fish as they are more selective and fussy with what they feed on...


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Conrad,

The approach is VERY effective here in the UK as it is all over the world. The NZ style doesn't use a sliding knot, but that is not to say it would not work.

What they do is to select a largish dry fly (or a smaller one well ginked up) and they attach a piece of tippet material to the bend of the fly above the bard (barbless can pose some problems though). Just use the same knot that you would use to tie your fly on.

On the end of that piece of tippet they attached a weighted nymph. You will need to judge the length depending on the depth.

You can also add multiple flies below the dry fly. You just need to add a dropper on the length of line. This works very well in deep slow water.

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I tried something last season that i read about in FF&FT that worked well up to a point. Instead of tying the dry onto the end of the tippet push it up the line, thread a pole float rubber on and push it over the bend in the hook . Tie a tippet ring on the end of the tippet to stop the dry sliding right down when you catch on it. Tie a length of tippet and your nymph, and a dropper if required off the tippet ring. Its then pretty straightforward to adjust the depth.

It did work but i gave up in the end as sometimes i'd catch on the dry and end up with a right tangle if the dry slid down the line.

I use the sliding dropper and it does work for me. I found that using it on a tapered leader does tend to kink the leader up when I adjust the dry so I use a shorter tapered leader and then add 3 to 4 ft (sometimes more) of 3 to 4lb (where the dropper for the dry will be tied on) and then a tippet ring. I then tie on 3 to 4 ft of tippet for my nymph.

I find I use this more early season and then switch to NZ as the season moves on.

Hope that makes sense!

Pete

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You know what I'm glad I asked! Now I can go out there and try a few methods for myself and see which I prefer. As I expected there are a few variations. Anyone know a good online article or better still video/dvd clip?

Please remember I am brand new to this, I didn't know what a tippet ring was until I looked it up, well I knew what it was but called it something else.



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Well I have got a fair few suitable ones Martin, the other Martin (hiyabarney) from Doncaster kindly tied me a good few of the patterns that both you and Paul G recommended on the Don thread. Also your recommended source got back to me asking me if I wanted him to go ahead, I said yes and then he went quiet again - busy guy I suppose. Finally I decided that I should tie my own flies so be prepared for daft fly tying questions

Again Martin from Doncaster gave me a good start with a few essential materials and tools.

Conrad

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another vote for the pole float rubber

Especially If you pole fished when you were a coarse angler - use your left over pole float rubber, clear opaque or black , slipped over the hook to the end of the dry flies dressing. It is small and gives a tight grip.
Thread the line through the hook eye and then the pole rubber. (best done before sliding the rubber over the point of the hook).

Providing that you have a knot below the dry, usually with a lighter tippet. Anything hooked on the dry slides down and stops at the knot - providing the pole float rubber is smaller than the knot and fits tight on the hook it will stop and allow the fish to be landed - you then don't need the tippet ring.


Merv