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Old 25-01-2010, 08:33 PM
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Ok i have recently bought lines from WCB and the Pirate, and i have to say, the service has been shockingly good. all lines have been supple as my baby's **** and delivered in unbelievebly fast order. Basically i'm stunned by the service you can get on line. BUT are we killing our fishing shops? My local is Cocckwill's place, and i know, to get a line as good as the Pirates or WCBs i;ll be paying twice the priice, but are we killing the fishing store in doing so?
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Old 25-01-2010, 08:36 PM
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Probably but what can you do?
Bought a Metz cape from Gerry last week, same one in a local shop £8/£9 dearer. The credit crunch mate.
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Old 25-01-2010, 08:46 PM
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You know...I've considered this thought many times. Yes online buying is certainly hurting local tackle shops. However, why should we pay considerably more & wait considerably longer, for items we can have at the touch of a button...cheaper & quicker.

I am a fishing fanatic...but I am on a tight budget. I provide for my 2 little boys, my wife, my dog, my car, my house etc etc. Will my local tackle shop proprietor be lying in bed worrying about my circumstances...of course not! So I say...if you can get a better deal online...go for it without remorse.
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Old 25-01-2010, 09:20 PM
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No, I dont think we are.

Shops like Grommits (ian.woods.co.uk) and Anderson Angling provide good service on here and I always maintain that Grommit's service is the best I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing.

Large retailers have had to up their game with the emergence of minor retailers such as the Pirate and Gerry and some do and some dont. Those that dont will fade away whilst the others will thrive.

Remember, the Pirate and Gerry are filling a niche and not provding all requirements that we, as anglers, require.

Remember, too, that this Forum has maybe a few thousand anglers, there are a hundred thousand more who purchase from the online retailers.


I dont think Peter Cockwill advertises in any mags or on here anwyay, does he??



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Old 25-01-2010, 09:38 PM
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Yes online buying is certainly hurting local tackle shops.
I think that all depends on the tackle shop. My local is Grommit's place in Morpeth, which many on here will think of as an online seller, but which is very much a local tackle shop if you live round this way. And most of the online sellers I use regularly, such as Wharfedale and O'Reilly, tend to be bricks and mortar places too. Of course, there are outstanding people like Cookshill and Spidersplus who only do business online, but they're only part of the picture. Good shops who take care of their customers always do well.
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Old 25-01-2010, 09:59 PM
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i am a small fishing shop that covers a little bit of everything i have a website ebay and the shop but to be honest i get the most pleasure serving my customers face to face i like most shops i get magazine celebrety fishers to internationl champions and a past brown bowl winner to name drop a few but i also get enormous pleasure and accomplishment helping beginners and puting them on the right tracks to catching fish and assisting with correct tackle choices so yeh i am happy with the click business but it will never compete with can you help me with this i have never fished here before wheres the ect ect long live the wee tackle shop you know wher we are
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Old 25-01-2010, 10:42 PM
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I think clydestyle's right. I generally use on line retailers as i'm lazy, and can find what i'm after very quickly. Otherwise it's going down the shop in the hope they stock a particular product, looking a tw@ for not wanting to buy it when they ask you for twice as much as it's worth. But you do, sometimes, need to pop into the shop for advice, to compare a couple of products in person or whatever. And i think most decant shops, as in good service etc and a profitable business, will see this and cater for both. The people i have bought from online who have offered a great service, good prices also have actual shops. The Angler's Lodge is just one that springs to mind. I've also found that internet only retailers can be dreadful. They stock nothing as you don't visit to see what's available. They make you wait weeks sometimes and have the cheek to charge you a fiver for delivery of a small, lightweight item. and as previously mentioned, it's not my responsibility to keep someone in business by paying over the odds for something i don't want. If they are no good at business they shouldn't try! And when i skint myself out doing so they won't bail me out!
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Old 25-01-2010, 11:02 PM
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Browniebasher,

That is a very good question and one I dont think there is an easy answer to

My view on it is such,

Any tackle shop (or any other retailer for that matter) that doesnt have some sort of on-line presence nowadays is committing commercial suicide. We have our own website, sell on this forum and also have an eBay shop, and they are all a crucial part of my company. Like it or not, the shopping habbits of the world have changed and people now like to shop from the comfort of their home. I had a discussion with another tackle dealer friend of mine about 4 years ago who said he would never sell online as it is the death of the High Street, and he wanted no part of that. He is no longer in business. My online side of the business alone employs two people full time and two part time

A lot of on-line tackle companies have a High Street shop as Ben says, myself, Anderson Angling, O'Reillys, GAC, Gary Evans, etc, etc and most provide a good online service. There are some that dont but given the power of the internet, they are very quickly identified

However, what seems to happen when they go 'online' is that the personal contact with the customer goes out of the window, and to me this is a big mistake. There is absolutley no reason why buying on-line has to be an impersonal experience and we always strive to maintain personal contact with our customers ordering online, as many on here will testify. Even phone calls in the evening Ben

On the price side, the internet is a quick and easy tool to compare prices. Yes, a lot of items can be bought online cheaper than in a shop for the simple reason, the 'bedroom sellers' (industry term and not a dig at anyone on here ) dont have the overheads that a High Street shop does. When you think a shop has rates, rent (or mortgage), heating, lighting, wages, NI, tax, VAT, maintenance, etc, to clear before any profit is made, the expenses work out substantial. I know what I have to make a day to cover these and it is a significant sum! However, is price everything? How often do you go into a shop for advice and not buy anything? It happens frequently and most shops are always happy to give it. Now you may save £2-£3 on a product online, but what price would you place on the information and service that your local shop provides and, more importantly, how much would you miss it if it wasnt there?? It is like anything, you dont miss it until it has gone and then it is too late. One thing to bear in mind though. If you find a price on the internet, always phone your local tackle shop and see what they can they do. You may be surprised!

On the flip side to your question, I think there will always be a place for the High Street tackle shop for two reasons. Firstly anglers like to pick up tackle and look at it or get a feel for it (you cant do this online) and secondly anglers love to chat!! Everyday, we get fellow anglers in the shop who dont spend anything but can talk fishing and have a coffee with the staff. This is all part of the service that the High Street tackle store provides that will never be provided by online sales or the supermarkets that sell tackle (but thats another debate!).

In summary, my view is that the way the High Street tackle shop is run nowadays has to change to survive. To me, it has to have the right balance of the traditional local tackle shop where advice is always available and staff ready to talk fishing (mine are, they take no encouraging to start talking fishing!!), and the online retailer who can offer a range of products, at a good price, backed up with good quality service.

This is what I am striving to do, and I am sure I will be told if I am getting it wrong
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Old 25-01-2010, 11:16 PM
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very well said Ian.
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No chance on that Ian.a great example to all online traders.adding to the fact you have a high st shop as well.

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Old 26-01-2010, 03:51 PM
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Browniebasher,

We have our own website, sell on this forum and also have an eBay shop, and they are all a crucial part of my company.

If you find a price on the internet, always phone your local tackle shop and see what they can they do. You may be surprised!

On the flip side to your question, I think there will always be a place for the High Street tackle shop for two reasons. Firstly anglers like to pick up tackle and look at it or get a feel for it (you cant do this online) and secondly anglers love to chat!! Everyday, we get fellow anglers in the shop who dont spend anything but can talk fishing and have a coffee with the staff. This is all part of the service that the High Street tackle store provides that will never be provided by online sales or the supermarkets that sell tackle (but thats another debate!).
Very interesting response. How do you decide between the different on-line channels or are all products available through each ?

My own twopennyworth on the value of a high street dealer. I am in the fortunate position of living within 10 minutes walk of Fawcetts in Lancaster. I have a very clear view of when and why I buy from them and when I don't (and the alternative's usually on line). When I know what I want and it's a small ticket item or an accessory (such as a cape) I'll go on line because their stock will be restricted and they're unlikely to have what I want. When I don't know what I want or it's a big ticket item from one of the brands they stock I'll always go to them. Their advice is great (the added value of the specialist) and (re Grommit's point on price) I've only twice gone elsewhere on about 20 such occasions - their price has usually been as good as or better than one I could get on-line and on one occasion they advised me to buy from elsewhere because of Shakespeare's policy on minumum order values which meant that they couldn't guarantee a delivery date.
I did place an order with them on-line on one occasion - after which they 'phoned me up to make sure it was what I needed!
That is why they will (I hope) survive. Plus the fact that it's next to the hair and beauty salon my wife uses - and they're nice people!

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