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Old 15-01-2010, 07:47 AM
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Hi
Sorry if these questions have been asked before but I was wondering if someone could help me out?

Is it necessary to degrease the leader and in what situations would you do this? e.g fishing buzzers/apps bloodworm pattern.

Also when I fish, I normally use a 12ft fluro leader (inexperience means I can't cast anything much longer). Is it neccessary to to do this i.e. is it possible to use a cheaper mono leader and then a fluro tippet of say 4ft. Would this be detrimental in any way? (I just seem to be getting through quite a bit of fluro and the wife keeps looking at the spools arriving in the post - (I told her it only costs a pound and flies a few pence each)

Sorry, last one: I was thinking of giving buzzers a go as I have not really fished them, but have been put off by things that I have read i.e. they are hard to fish and many blank as they cannot fish them correctly. Any advice?

ps thanks to woz, ck, stillwater angler and everyone else for their advice so far

Cheers in advance

Chris
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Old 15-01-2010, 08:22 AM
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beardywierdy I can only speak for myself. personaly i always fish with a degreased leader. I use a mixture of fullers earth and dertergent, work it into a piece of cloth and keep it in a spool tub with a little hole top and bottom.
You should try degreasing a piece of line and see how it is on the water. In comparison it is night and day you,re leader disapears almost imedietly when degreased and stays on top for to long if not if not. when it,s not degreased it stands out from an under water perspective ie what the fish see,s is like a black line on the water. I,m sure once you see the difrence you won,t ever leave home without it. What i do is get a 5" square of cotton. make up a mix of fullers and detergent. you,re looking to mix it up into a thinish paste. Then cover the cotton in it and work it in and fold it. keep repeating until yuo,re left with 1.4 inch square. That will last you all season, all you have to do is give it a quick dip in the water and pull it down you,re leader. Watch you don,t hook your self while degreasing ! Good luck
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Old 15-01-2010, 09:13 AM
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When fishing dries I degrease the final 10 to 12 inches of my tippet so as to make it less visible to the fish I'm casting to. Don't know if it really helps aside from in my head!

A member of the French fly fishing team told me that he figures that it lets him fish a tippit that is one size thicker so .1 instead of .08 which minimizes the chances of a breakage but I don't know if there are any real facts to back this theory. I hope we'll have some of our more experienced anglers comment on this.

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Old 15-01-2010, 10:28 AM
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I use a fullers earth mixture on the leader, it does degrease, but I think more importantly is that fuller earth removes the shine from the line so theres nothing to flash as the line moves in the water.
The detergent part in the mix can now adhere to the line easily because of this abrasion & cut through the waters surface tension, the glycerine in the mix stops it drying out too fast.
if you want to use a floatant when dry-fly fishing, that sticks easily too

Its often recommended that buzzers are fished static, we're all going have our own favorite way to fish no matter what we're using .

I've watched buzzers in the water they sometimes move a lot, so when I fish buzzers I use a very slow figure of eight to pull in (just enough to keep in contact), with a sharp burst every so often.

I've found fishing them a few feet under a sedge also works well, especially with short sharp busts from time time, the movement of the sedge on the surface attracts the fish also lifts the buzzer & puts some life into it, then the buzzer can slowly sinks again (even slower with mono or copolymer)

You don't say what fluorocarbon you're using? but to keep prices down you could use some of Kamasan's Bayer Perlon line, its cheap enough & its good,

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I always give my tippet and leader a good rub down with Ledasink (obtainable in little tubs for just over a quid). It is Dick Walker's mix of Fuller's Earth, glycerine and washing up liquid (Fairy).
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if your lucky enough to find any blue clay in the margins where you fish, its excellent stuff and free! (tight yorkshireman)

ta ,dave

other clays / mud work. not as good though
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When fishing dries I degrease the final 10 to 12 inches of my tippet so as to make it less visible to the fish I'm casting to. Don't know if it really helps aside from in my head!

A member of the French fly fishing team told me that he figures that it lets him fish a tippit that is one size thicker so .1 instead of .08 which minimizes the chances of a breakage but I don't know if there are any real facts to back this theory. I hope we'll have some of our more experienced anglers comment on this.

Terry
Your French connection is quite right- degreasing the leader is a constant pain in the proverbial but required. When dry fly fishing it is essential- if the tippet adjacent to the fly floats then say goodbye to any takes- I have excellent eyesight and often see a fish rise inspect the fly and refuse- Many anglers make the mistake at this point of changing a fly pattern assuming the fish didn't like it- 9/10 the pattern was fine (otherwise the fish would not have even inspected). The refusal was caused by either microdrag or more likely tippet on the surface- On these occasions I usually still get the fish just by degreasing and ensuring the tippet is below the surface- microdrag is also caused by this-tippet on the surface is subject to wind etc which can move the fly in an unatural manner. With flourocarbon the stuff shines like crazy (forget the invisible in water nonsense manufacturers want you to believe)- it needs dulling down with degreaser. Personally I'm no longer a great fan of this material- but yes you can use a longer tippet of stronger mono and attach a shorter leader of flouro- use a loop to loop rather than a blood knot because diffferent materials like nylon and flouro do not knot well together.

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Old 15-01-2010, 11:22 AM
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I always give my tippet and leader a good rub down with Ledasink (obtainable in little tubs for just over a quid). It is Dick Walker's mix of Fuller's Earth, glycerine and washing up liquid (Fairy).
I also use Richard Walkers mix- In my opinion the best and one of the cheapest sinkants on the market- when it goes dry add a bit more washing up liquid- A tub usually lasts a whole season.

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Old 15-01-2010, 12:12 PM
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Only really needs done when fishing dries,not subsurface
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Only really needs done when fishing dries,not subsurface
Generally I agree with that for 99% of circumstances- however upstream wet fly fishing or nymphing on rivers in shallow water or at shallow depths, especially if flourocarbon is used and its a bright day- then it is useful- otherwise the glare can deter fish- I've seen it.

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