I can,t find one geting tied. however i think i might have it going on the same princple as the loop. Take the two tag ends face them into each other try 6" do the figure 8 loop. When that,s done your left with a great join and two droppers. I don,t know about using the droppers he does emphisise not to put anything on it, need to experiment a bit more. if some other people could try it and see what they think comparing it to a join you,d normaly do. Ive always used the uni knot and the figure 8 join snaped it

It will be interesting to see how others get on.
Thanks everyone for there input spot on

Kenny does this sound right to you ?