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Old 04-08-2009, 08:43 PM
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I've been tying my leaders to the braided loop using a tucked blood knot as it just somehow felt right to, coming from the sea angling side of things anyhow!
But I've just read a few threads suggesting I should be doing a loop to loop connection, is this a personal choice as my way seems to work , but does "kink" the loop a bit...or have I just been a total numpty AGAIN?.
As I'm planning on trying tapered leaders next time out this seems an easy way to change them without cutting and shortening them each time.
Also tippet connection when attaching to tapered leader should that as I think be a 3 turn water knot?
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:21 PM
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I've been tying my leaders to the braided loop using a tucked blood knot as it just somehow felt right to, coming from the sea angling side of things anyhow!
But I've just read a few threads suggesting I should be doing a loop to loop connection, is this a personal choice as my way seems to work , but does "kink" the loop a bit...or have I just been a total numpty AGAIN?.
As I'm planning on trying tapered leaders next time out this seems an easy way to change them without cutting and shortening them each time.
Also tippet connection when attaching to tapered leader should that as I think be a 3 turn water knot?
Thanks
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Regarding connecting the Loop to Loop connection between fly line and leader should you change to that method .? Remember to put the fly line loop through the leader loop then the end of the leader through the fly line loop..thus preventing the fly line loop being strangled .The rule is "never put a line throught it's own loop" and it's easier to seperate them again as well as you suggested should you want to change the leader ..
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:21 PM
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I cannot comment on your current practice as I have not used it.

I have always used a loop-to-loop connection for tapered leaders. Sometimes leaders come with a ready made loop. If not, I tie a "perfection loop", as described in the link.

http://www.animatedknots.com/perfection/index.php

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Old 04-08-2009, 09:52 PM
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I use a loop to loop to start, not for any particular reason, just always have. They do seem to be very strong though, it's never that knot that breaks. It makes little difference, i find. I'm fairly sure John Horsey is dead against loop to loop, but a lot of anglers use them. Only thing with loop to loop is you have to do it before you set the leader up. What i mean is, for the purpose of changing lines; ie reeling in then tying the new line to the leader and pulling back through the rings to save threading the new fly line through the rod. Or if you just want to take a few inches off the back end of the leader, if it becomes crimped or twisted etc. So a lot of the time i end up using blood/water knots etc anyway.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:00 PM
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I use a loop to loop to start, not for any particular reason, just always have. They do seem to be very strong though, it's never that knot that breaks. It makes little difference, i find. I'm fairly sure John Horsey is dead against loop to loop, but a lot of anglers use them. Only thing with loop to loop is you have to do it before you set the leader up. What i mean is, for the purpose of changing lines; ie reeling in then tying the new line to the leader and pulling back through the rings to save threading the new fly line through the rod. Or if you just want to take a few inches off the back end of the leader, if it becomes crimped or twisted etc. So a lot of the time i end up using blood/water knots etc anyway.
WRONG!!
A blood or water knot will eventually cut through the Braided loop on the end of your fly line, loop to loop is far better and safer!! Use a perfection loop at the thick end of your leader! Another way is to needle knot your leader strait to your line!

I use a Braided loop and a perfection loop in my leader then slide the loop in my leader over the Braided loop and the tippet end of the leader through the loop in the braided end pull tight !! Job done!
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:04 PM
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WRONG!!
A blood or water knot will eventually cut through the Braided loop on the end of your fly line, loop to loop is far better and safer!! Use a perfection loop at the thick end of your leader! Another way is to needle knot your leader strait to your line!

I use a Braided loop and a perfection loop in my leader then slide the loop in my leader over the Braided loop and the tippet end of the leader through the loop in the braided end pull tight !! Job done!
Yes, completely agree with Mostyn. I used to attach with a blood knot to save time when changing lines too. Lost a good fish after it cut through the braid one day. Never did it again. Always loop to loop.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:36 PM
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I will use a Loop to Loop when I have plenty of time.But I have no problem using a half blood onto the braid,I understand that it will eventually start to break fibres,then I will replace the Loop.No big deal.I use this method for Salmon/Seatrout /Rainbows/Browns.and I do not give it a moments consideration when playing a BIG fish.
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Nothing wrong with your system.
spot on jim.
loop to loop (if flourocarbon leader) can, and will cut through braid eventually, just as tucked blood will, and as you say, either way will damage braid loop, thats why we should check them out, and change them as required. blood knot on loops have landed some pretty big fish, as have loop to loop, but only when braid loop is sound, not leader knot.
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Old 05-08-2009, 07:07 AM
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Thanks guys will try the loop to loop method next time out. Changing braided loops is something I'm doing today and have seeked advice off pitsford pirate as I'm having to cut the fly line to do it...if it happens whilst fishing is there a quick way to "seal" off the end of the fly line...or is it home time?
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Old 05-08-2009, 07:16 AM
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Haven't tried it myself but someone in a recent post suggested using a cigarette lighter to seal the end of the fly line. Sounds like a reasonable quick-fix.
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