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Old 27-07-2009, 06:29 PM
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I am about to start tying my own flies and notice that all the dry flies are tied with the hook pointing down.
I seem to recall a TV programme 30-40 years ago featuring a guy who tied his flies 'hook up'. They showed a variety of flies filmed from underwater and his ones certainly looked more natural. (they also filmed real flies for comparison) It certainly meant that there was no hook visible underwater.
Is anyone else old enough to remember this?
Is there any merit in this form of tying?
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Old 27-07-2009, 07:46 PM
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This old guy ties them upside down sorry Roy

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This old guy ties them upside down sorry Roy

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well he is isnt he or is he from oz
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Pondlife,

There is a pattern devised by Neil Patterson named the "Funneldun" that is tied with the hook point facing up:

http://www.spidersplus.co.uk/shop/de...page=Funneldun - Neil Patterson - 4 Flies

Also, a another generic dun pattern:-

http://www.spidersplus.co.uk/shop/de...ory=&page=Foam U.S.D. Dun - 4 Flies

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Hi', PL. The upsidedown fly you are thinking about was featured in a programme involving John Goddard and Brian Clarke, in the 1970s, I think. People probably thought it was an innovation, an adaptation of the old parachute fly; BUT it was a lot older than that. There is a sketch of one in a book on lake fishing by Col. Joscelyn Lane, I think that is the correct spelling, which appeared between the two World Wars. A friend, Geoff Johnston, of Ullswater Flies fame, loaned it to me to read a few years back, and I think the fly may have been tied in the 1920s or 1930s. A friend of the author tied the original, and he was so modest that the author simply referred to him as 'J' in his book.
Within days of the TV show being 'on air' the son of a close fishing friend asked if I had seen the show, and could I tie him some flies? I agreed on one condition, which was that he looked at them, but didn't fish them. They were fiddly and not particularly robust originally, although I made a modified wing post using 25 gauge gold ribbing wire soldered to the hook shank, in the form of a twisted loop. The ring of the loop was pressed down to secure the hackle after winding, and worked quite well. Never had one come apart; but as was said in the programme, they were probably required on only about 5% of the times one might fish -- when trout were latched on to the particular 'footprint' of a spent sherry spinner. I think that is correct, but I am working from memory. TerryC
PS I tie Funnelduns, occasionally, Phil, and I think I prefer the newer Funnelspinner to the upsidedown parachute, as it's a lot easier and quicker to tie.

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Not quite the same thing, but am I right in thinking that when I started fishing with flies, dries were tied with "up" eyes and wets with "down"? Nowadays it doesn't seem to matter. Is my memory wrong (no surprise) or has the practice changed? Any comment anyone? (Which way do you categorise the eye on Roy's usd fly?)
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There was an American called Pobst (Richard I think) who tied his flies upside down before the Clarke/Goddard USD and maybe before the Funneldun. I was certainly getting Kites Imperials tied for me Pobst style by Jean Williams in the early 1970s. I still have one or two.
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The upsidedown fly you are thinking about was featured in a programme involving John Goddard and Brian Clarke, in the 1970s, I think.
I believe the programme is called The Educated Trout, which was also avalible on Video, might be able to pick one up on e-bay if there are any going around.
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Old 28-07-2009, 10:11 AM
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Many thanks to all for the input.
I'll try to get a hold of the video and, once I've learned to tie flies, might try one for fun!
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