I was fishing at kilnsey park a few days ago and one of my mates was catchin fish for fun, he said he was fishing a Coch-y-bonddu fly, i had a similar black & peacock spider. So i put that on and got the fish.

So i was wondering if anyone knows the difference if any between a Coch-y-bonddu, and a black & peacock spider

Cheers,
Rhys

a Coch-y-bonddu,Is an direct imitation of a real beetle, and a black & peacock spider is a general food type imitation fly.

Jim

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One's got a black hackle and one's got a predominantly brown hackle with a little gold tag at the end of the peacock body!

But then again, I very much doubt if the trout have ever studied the finer points of fly patterns - despite many people trying to convince us that they can distinguish between patterns dyed with say picric and some other vaguely yellow non carcenogenic dye.

If it looks like food and acts like food trout will eat it .............. simples.

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Hi', Rhys. As JIm says, the Coch-y-bonddu is a copy of a beetle, which some call 'Bracken Clock'. At rest it is a rather ordinary-looking little brownish beetle; but when it takes off, its wings make a distinct black-centred, reddish-brown halo around its body. Hence, Coch-y-bonddu, roughly translated as Red and Black.
Black and Peacock spider is one of the most versatile wet or dry flies in the box.
Tie it very small, with a thin body and its a black midge or a black gnat. A variant that I like has a pale blue dun hackle to suggest a gnat or midge wing.
Tie it slim, but with a biggish hackle, say on a size 12 hook, or a long shank 14, and it's a fair suggestive pattern for use when hawthorn flies are falling on the water. Use a short shank hook with a good gape, tie the body good and fat, tie in a short black
hackle, and you have a fair snail pattern. A good variant can be made by, again, using a pale blue dun hen hackle. These variants, and the standard, can be made as dry flies. Cheers, TC
PS Tied size 18 or 20, with a good quality black cock hackle, it makes a nice beetle for use all through the summer, especially under trees, overhanging grass etc.

Thanks for all the replies. I thought they were the same fly just differant names. But i was obviously wrong
Im sure, like lighthouse said, "if it looks like food and acts like food trout will eat it .............. simples".
Im a bit of a novice Terry but I WILL TRY and give tying some of those variants a go.

Thanks again
Rhys