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Old 28-06-2009, 03:08 PM
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I caught a trout yesterday in the tidal reaches of the South Yorkshire river Don.It was a 3lb er (no scales ) and I caught it on maggots while trotting.
At first I was convinced it was a brown trout but it was quite silvery in colour and now I have my doubts.If somebody could explain the differences between the two ( I know they are the same species,but one has wanderlust)I would be greatful.If somebody would be kind enough to point me to the thread about posting photo's I might get a picture up.
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Hi', John. When you catch a game fish in tidal water, you have three possibilities. Your fish could be a slob, or estuarine trout, that lives on the better food often found in the estuary; it could be a sea trout, you could check for red spots as sea trout had only black spots in my experience of fishing for them, or it could be a small grilse. Pointers for a grilse would be slimmer wrist
( the bit before the tail ), mouth extends only to an imaginary line passing through the centre of the eye, tail forked. Sea trout has thicker wrist, tail is square, sometimes convex, and end of mouth extends beyond the eye in the trout family. Hope that helps a little. Terryc
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These might help - all from the Lower Itchen:

Brown Trout:
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Sea Trout:
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"Slob":
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Hi John, as Terry commented, only brownies have red spots, usually a certain giveaway.
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"Slob":
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Whats a slob exactly?

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Whats a slob exactly?

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I've always been led to believe (since my very early days) that "slob" refers to a sea trout or salmon that remains in fresh/estuary water for more than a year or two. It may well be a colloquialism, but that's what we've called them down here in the south - or at least with the people I'm acquainted with!

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A brown trout that lives in the estuary but not went to sea I think.
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These might help - all from the Lower Itchen:

"Slob":
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What time of year was that "slob" caught? I'd have been tempted to say it was a kelt.






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I've always been led to believe (since my very early days) that "slob" refers to a sea trout or salmon that remains in fresh/estuary water for more than a year or two. It may well be a colloquialism, but that's what we've called them down here in the south - or at least with the people I'm acquainted with!

The use of "slob" for sea trout or salmon in that situation is a new one on me, salmon never stay in the estuary after smolting anyway.
A slob is a brown trout that feeds in tidal water (either estuaries or lochs/loughs) but doesn't venture out into the open sea.

Pictures of slob trout are very hard to come by considering the number of people who talk about them on threads such as this!


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I caught a trout yesterday in the tidal reaches of the South Yorkshire river Don.It was a 3lb er (no scales ) and I caught it on maggots while trotting.
At first I was convinced it was a brown trout but it was quite silvery in colour and now I have my doubts.If somebody could explain the differences between the two ( I know they are the same species,but one has wanderlust)I would be greatful.If somebody would be kind enough to point me to the thread about posting photo's I might get a picture up.
Thanks in advance
John.
Hi denosaur

Instructions for posting photos
This is the link you require for posting picture

Lets be having the picture.....I for one am very interested in seeing YOUR example.....and then have a discussion.

There are many phenotypes of Brown Trout and there is no visual conclusions that could be put into print that you would get the answer correct 100%....and it's years of experience that lead you to good educated guess......factually you would have to remove a shoulder scale and analyse it for a scientific answer.
And you can see already the conjecture on what appeared to be good examples.......even I would lean toward Exerod's conclusion though

Post the picture please

The instruction is scant.....so if you get stuck refer back
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Click the image to open in full size.
Hope this produces the picture ( if its a sea trout I will be well pleased and sworn to secrecy ,its a pity my location details give the game away) By the way we are 60 minutes form the sea here and 35 minutes from the Humber estuary so the idea of it being an estuarine fish might be pushing the boat out a bit.Thanks for the replies so far.
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