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Old 05-06-2009, 12:36 PM
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Hi guys, I am keen to learn more about the actual entomology, with regard to identification of the natural, and knowing what to 'put on'?

I have looked through various titles at the poorly stocked Grafham lodge, but I cant seem to find anything that shows good pictures of the common insects, and might suggest what to use with regard to 'matching the hatch'.

Could anyone please advise?

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Old 05-06-2009, 12:41 PM
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Waterside Guide by John Goddard
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You read my mind having just read ickypimps post about his days fishing where he mentions different insects at moment the flys in my box are big black one little black one etc mind you there are so few I was thinking of just naming them myself ie this ones George etc
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:58 PM
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I use Pat O'Riellys "match the hatch".
Some snaps of the flies and a tying suggestion (largley ignored by me, things have moved on imo).
The best bit imo is when to expect them, that way you have half an idea what it is. Colour and size is more importnat than its latin name, dont get hung up on that.
Size 18 yellow or size 14 dark green pretty much makes you half way there.
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Waterside Guide by John Goddard

will second that a superb book with very good detail ,and small enough to fit in a pocket ,it measures just over 7 1/2 inch by 4 1/2 !!!
money well spent ,shop around i got mine for £8.50 if i remember correctly..
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will second that a superb book with very good detail ,and small enough to fit in a pocket ,it measures just over 7 1/2 inch by 4 1/2 !!!
money well spent ,shop around i got mine for £8.50 if i remember correctly..
'Thirded' (If there is such an expression).
A great book that demystifies fly choice and offers a very good riverside guide to working out exactly what those little winged things actually are.
Well written and very readable.

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'Thirded' (If there is such an expression).
A great book that demystifies fly choice and offers a very good riverside guide to working out exactly what those little winged things actually are.
Well written and very readable.

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this fly fishing aint all its cracked up to be i couldnt catch one on MY HOOK no matter how often i cast into them
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Hi', Jas, Buzz is right, you don't need to know all the latin names; I don't, and I've been bug-hunting for over forty years. That knowledge helps under certain circumstances, but for everyday use, generalisation works pretty well.
We can't copy the bugs exactly. although some get pretty close, very close if you feel like hunching over a vice for hours on end. What the average fly dresser should aim for, in my humble opinion, is an artificial that is a very easily recognised caricature of the real thing. After all, in a stream the trout get little more than a fleeting glance of a nymph, fly, beetle or shrimp etc. In slow moving pools and still waters (lakes/ressies and ponds ) the fish have more time to examine our offerings, hence the effectiveness of some excellent buzzer and nymph patterns.
The late Richard Walker once drew a picture of a little stick man, wearing a triangular hat; he then added two slanting eyes, and without wishing to appear racist in this daft PC world of ours, I'd say all who saw the sketch said, 'A Chinaman'. Please, any cranks out there, don't give me any grief.
Dick then added an upturned mouth, which showed that his little man was happy, then he changed it to a downturned mouth -- the little stick man was now unhappy.
What I am trying to say is that you should look for the more obvious points of identification of insects:--- the most important for the angler being their season, or as the biologists put it, their flight period. Then shape, then size and last of all colour. After all, a silhouette seen against a bright sky is, to all intents and purposes, black. I have illustrated this many times to fly tying class members. I won't say colour can't have more importance, but it's not top of my list.
For the beginner, I always used to say look for geometric shapes. The vertical long triangle is the wing of an upwinged fly -- one of the ephemeroptera, apart from the caenis family, they carry them flat. The long horizontal triangle is the wing of the sedge ( or the Alder Fly, I guess someone will remark ) and the long rectangle or roughly cylindrical body shape is the mark of the stonefly fly species. You can't get much simpler than that.
Good luck with your studies, and don't be put off by numbers --- 51 species of upwinged insects; about 190 sedges (caddis); 34 stoneflies, only one Alder Fly!!! ; 400+ in the midge family; loads of beetles; fair few craneflies and dragonflies/damsels: BUT, a tiny fraction of the total will suffice for all your fly fishing needs. It's a fascinating hobby, and the greatest advantage you will probably find from studying aquatic bugs is that when there isn't an aquaric fly in sight, you will know what should be in season, no matter where you are in the UK. What is more, you will be able to copy it from memory, or from the contents of your fly boxes. And you won't need a barrowload. Cheers, TerryC

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Here are a couple of plates from John Cawthorne's 'The Fly Fisherman's Entomological Pattern Book'

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Some useful images of all the usual suspects. I find his book superior to the much vaunted O'Rilley guide.


Just copied a post I made about a week ago. Says it all - slightly larger than Goddard's guide but still portable. My copy lives in the Audi glove compartment.
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