Hi guys ,

iv been absent from the forum for afew weeks due to computer problems , and general lack of time !!!! but i will get in contact with everyone that been tryign to get me eventually

anyway ...

today i was having a frustrating time on the river !!!! arrived at about 1pm to see a huge insect hatch on the water so i scooped a couple of them out to examine and try to match ... sadly i never had anything close to the fly ...



can anyone tell me what it is ? through afew searches iv came up with DUN FLY , MARCH BROWN .... btu what is it ? and what colour is it ? olive in my eyes ? brown to others ??

anyway stuck a olive dry fly on , courtesy of Mr Terry Cousin I quickly saw 2 fish rise and tried to target them .... these fish proceded to tease me for 4 hours !!!!!! yes 4 hours I went through my full fly box ... went through my presentation a good few times , and still these fish would take "something" off the water every 60 seconds or so for the 4 hours but nothing i presented !!! Iv came to the conclusion that either my leader material is not good enough [ drennen sub surface 6lb] or ..... they were being very picky and i did not have the right fly ..... baring in mind i sailed a fly over there heads at least 100 times , twice the fish appeared to take my fly down but i did not feel anything through the line/rod and did not connect / hook ...... so frustrating and they were a cracking couple of fish as they were only 15ft away and i could see them . I got to packing up time and i was that frustrated i felt liek running in with my net and scooping them

any ideas to what the fly is that i scooped out ?

any ideas to why i wasnt catching these fish ? ? ?

im uploading a video [ very slowly] at the moment of the 2 fish jumping infront of me but its 10 mins long so might be an overnight upload with my recent computer problems !!!

marky

what size were they would you say?

Its most like to have been a large dark olive.

beware, I had this happen to me recently turned out they were taking tiny black midge instead of the olives.

try using 3-4lb line, the drennan stuff is a bit thicker than the really modern stuff too. make sure you degrease the last foot or so well, and strike when a fish hits the fly, they dont hook themselves, unfortunately

female large dark olive dun (baetis rhodani)

Hi Marky, wondered where you had got too.
I had a very similar experience a week ago, I tried everything to no avail, I didn't put the fish down and the flies I offered were on his nose.
I think he was taking an extremely small black fly and was locked on to them, and nothing else would do.
I love trout dearly, but if I'd had a hand grenade that day I would have been tempted to lob it to him.
There for another day I suppose, if we caught them all it wouldn't be a challenge would it?

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joinnied.....

see when you say you have seen this before , well there were small midgy on the water also today but i matched them to perfection and still no joy

can i ask how you found out what the fly was ? or is it a case of just googling and looking at pics ? would be handy if there was some sort of catalogue

thanks for the reply and help

approx 10mm in length

I like you was thinking about a hand grenade Steven !!!! I was so wound up on my drive home just wasnt sure if it was me ? the leader ? the fly ? the luck even !!!

I just couldnt believe for that length of time and the amount of times i ran it over there heads they did not take even out of curiousity ? may be the couple of times my fly did go down they didnt actually connect with it ?

iv got to say ...... my casting improved today as i was targeting with every cast to a couple of inches in the end !!! very good fun ... but i would like to somehow get my head round why "it didn't happen"

just been doing my homework recently

theres a few threads on entemology about at the min, entemology being the study of wee beasties.

its been said many times and i dont like to be repetitive but john goddards waterside guide is a very good book if you wish to get into a bit more detail.

if you didnt catch on the midge perhaps they were taking emergers, in which case try a parachute dry or something low riding such as buzz's bread and butter dry, maybe even something like a spider pattern ginked up a bit.

I truly believe that when this happens it is very often tippet related... this has happened to me several times in the past... And often i am matching what they are feeding on as near as possible, which as far as i am concerned means the fish can see the tippet..

Cheers
JJ

6lb drennen is 0.19mm in diameter, frog hair 2.8lb is 0.10.

The material is right but not the weight.

On the second point this may be a bit basic but I've heard of Salmon fishermen doing this - you did strike didn't you?

Alex

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It could've been that they were taking the ascending nymphs just short of the surface, the emergers, crippled emergers, spinners even, micro drag, colour, dry too high/low in the water, size was wrong, leader flash, leader sitting on the surface tension, leader dragging the dry low in the water, wrong number of tails on the artificial etc etc etc.................

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