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Old 21-03-2009, 10:16 PM
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Can anyone tell me what wet flies represent and when to use them? Still or river.
I can get the gist of buzzer, dries and lures but just can not figure out what wet flies like for instance Mullard & claret or Wickhams Fancy are supposed to represent and consequently I rarely use them.

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Old 21-03-2009, 10:23 PM
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some represent hatching insects, midges (black pennel), drowned adults (winged march brown), egg laying females, sedge pupae (invicta), fry (teal blue and silver). although it tends to beat me why you would fish them on a swing or strip them back? except fry patterns obviously.
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Old 21-03-2009, 10:28 PM
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its a good question, i use a kate mclaren a lot, it works, but i'll be dammed if i know what its supposed to be.
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Old 21-03-2009, 10:56 PM
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Hatching midge,

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Can anyone tell me what wet flies represent and when to use them? Still or river.
I can get the gist of buzzer, dries and lures but just can not figure out what wet flies like for instance Mullard & claret or Wickhams Fancy are supposed to represent and consequently I rarely use them.

Cheers

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I can remember asking myself the same questions when I started out Novice.
Nothing in nature moves in the same way as a pulled wet fly i.e against the wind... at any speed slow or fast.So I used to have the same issues, wondering about what I was actually doing when fishing in this manner.The only time that say a black pennel might have a chance at imitating a hatching midge is when its held static in the film at the end of the retrieve...but that does not explain to me why the trout accept it when I'm pulling it back....

Who can say why a trout should find this unatural movement attractive....conditioned reflex to anything that moves,aggression,curiosity...? It doesny matter at the end of the day....we should console ourselves simply by the fact that it works.....when the fish are in the mood to chase.

If you think of traditional wet flies simply as drab mini-mini-lures,it may help you to rationalize the method.
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Old 22-03-2009, 03:37 PM
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its a good question, i use a kate mclaren a lot, it works, but i'll be dammed if i know what its supposed to be.
The answer to that is simple

Kate Mclaren is Paul Youngs favourite flee
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Paul Young is a legend, definitely one of the best presenters out there with fishing programmes - even the wife doesnt mind watching him!!
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Old 22-03-2009, 06:56 PM
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Must be something to do with the ears.
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I think some anglers accredit trout with far too much intelligence. Fact is they're pretty damn stupid and will take twigs, pebbles, dog-ends and even screwed-up bus tickets!

Unless they're actively feeding on a selected insect they will, at times, take almost anything. I don't see why their reaction to a pulled wet-fly would be any different and some of the lures in common usage are a joke


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Hi', Novice. Your question has been pretty well covered; but it doesn't hurt to add a bit. The dry flies mainly imitate aquatic flies at the surface, that need to be there at some time or another; terrestrial flies, like cow dung, moth, hawthorn fly, black gnat, heather fly, daddy longlegs etc that get there by accident; terrestrial beetles, like bracken clock, soldier beetle, shield beetle etc. that also fall on the water accidentally; ants, caterpillars and spiders. Wet flies can copy just about anything that may be found in or below the surface. That includes all the above, plus various larvae and pupae of aquatic flies; larvae of water beetles; corixae etc; all the other invertebrates that inhabit water, like hoglice, shrimps, snails, leeches, crayfish; frogs, tadpoles, fish fry, lampreys etc; and some surprising bits of flotsam, like the fag ends mentioned, fish pellets, even bits of bread (bleached deer hair, stacked and cut to shape) even small mice!!!
Some patterns are very imitative, like Sinfoil's Fry or Walker's Polystickle wet flies. The various nymph patterns, and the Czech and Polish bugs are pretty imitative, but a lot of wets are suggestive of a few different forms of food as opposed to being a copy of a specific item. GRHE and March Brown spider are suggestive of both hoglice and shrimps or fly larvae, for example. This wide diversity gives us the opportunity to 'do it scientifically' or to use the broader approach.
In the end, a lot of anglers go on instinct, on their long experience, or they play their hunches -- and as long as they enjoy themselves, and enjoy a modicum of success, that is all that matters. Talk to the old boys on your fishery, they will probably be delighted to help with identifying what you choose, and on on how to use it. We all have to learn, so no one should mind helping. Cheers, you'll soon sort things out. TerryC
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