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Old 12-03-2009, 01:49 PM
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OK, so, I bought some kit, I had a casting lesson, I am practising, I am tying my own flies......and now there is another huge, crucial and bewildering part of the sport, "matching the hatch".

On my casting lesson, a big insect flew past. The guide pointed it out. I thought i knew what it was, but was not 100% sure and lacked confidence to air my sugeestion.

The guide said what it was, confirming my suspicions it was some variety of flapping buggy thing.

Where do I start, If I wish to learn to identify what is hatching or flying about?

I intend to coarse fish and cannot imagine that a chub is anywhere near as discerning as a canny trout, but would still love to be able to smugly imagine I had fooled a fish by presenting a meal that closely resembled it's last.
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Old 12-03-2009, 01:55 PM
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OK, so, I bought some kit, I had a casting lesson, I am practising, I am tying my own flies......and now there is another huge, crucial and bewildering part of the sport, "matching the hatch".

On my casting lesson, a big insect flew past. The guide pointed it out. I thought i knew what it was, but was not 100% sure and lacked confidence to air my sugeestion.

The guide said what it was, confirming my suspicions it was some variety of flapping buggy thing.

Where do I start, If I wish to learn to identify what is hatching or flying about?

I intend to coarse fish and cannot imagine that a chub is anywhere near as discerning as a canny trout, but would still love to be able to smugly imagine I had fooled a fish by presenting a meal that closely resembled it's last.
Believe me, chub are a worthy quarry, they may be greedy but are hugely wary and certainly (in my experience) just as difficult as catching any trout (on the fly at least).

I'm still learning so all I do is look at what's on or around the water and then have a rummage through my fly selection and see what I've got that resembles the live stuff.

Seems to work.
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Old 12-03-2009, 01:59 PM
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Believe me, chub are a worthy quarry
Don't get me wrong, i am not saying they will be easy, but having caught many on some very weird and wonderful baits I do not think they will be as flightly if the presented fly does not match what is around them. Delicate presentation and not spooking them is a diferrent matter.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:03 PM
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:09 PM
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Match the hatch covered it all for me.
Linky here:-
Amazon Amazon
I guess the trick is to identify what family it comes from, thats all i worry about then its just colour and sizes.
Its an informative book outlining where and when. The patterns are a bit dated but dont think they are not relevant.
Hope this helps.
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try john goddards book, its helped me learn a lot bout a bugs life. it goes through life cycles, times of year they emerge, and even how they are distrubeted accross the isles, which is very useful. im by no means skilled at it, but this book is a great reference point. next time your on the water take a picture of whatever is hatching, and then you can reference back to it. also try sampling nymphs and grubs etc either by picking stones up or using a kick net, the latter of which i am yet to try out.
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Pat O'Reilly, Matching The Hatch is a must for bankside beginners and then lots of stone turning in the riffles will reveal the majority of the nymphs. Then invest in some kick sampling kit, when stone turning is not enough.

It isn't half as hard as it looks or sounds, otherwise Frank would be stuffed. (I am told that I have to add a smiley or something so that people know that I am joking - what's a smilie?).

I would suggest that the chub is about as canny as they get.

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O'Reilly's book is a good start point if it's a general, simplified overview you require (probably wise at first). If you are interested in identifying insects to species level then Goddard's 'Waterside Guide' is a better bet, or better still, get your hands on a copy of the soon to be released Ephemeroptera Guide by the Field Studies Council. I've reviewed the test copy and believe me, it is going to be the single best species identification guide to British upwings ever published.

The above organisation also publish numerous excellent and inexpensive identification charts and guides to every order of insect you could imagine. Have a look at this link:

http://www.field-studies-council.org...ons/index.aspx

Entomology - at least to a practical, angling-orientated level - is not at all complicated.....and adds another dimension to your fishing day. It's also the first major step on the ladder to true geekdom!

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Hi', Milo. Jonnie and Matt said it: Goddard as a starter. I started with his first little pocket book, 'What Fly Is That?' . It cost 3 shillings, so you can guess how long ago that was! Then, 'Trout Fly Recognition'. Since then, 'An Angler's Entomology', J R Harris and 'Life In Lakes And Rivers', T T Macan. Ten years ago,
after talking to Professor J M Elliott at the Freshwater Biological Assocation I bought 'Larvae Of The British Ephemeroptera' and 'A Key To The Adults Of The British Ephemeroptera'.
As a start, because you will probably be more interested in the adults, I would suggest Goddard and the key to the adults, by J M Elliott and U H Humpesch.
however, as Matt suggests, the new keys that will be available, soon I hope, will be more accurate and better illustrated than their predecessors.
Be careful, studying river and lake 'bug-hunting' is addictive, just as this forum is. I wish I could start again. Best of luck, it is a great and very rewarding hobby. TerryC
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:32 PM
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The London Natural History Musem has its bug collection on line with photo's and descriptions,it's very good for identifing bugs.
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