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Old 17-12-2008, 05:57 AM
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What do forum Members think and feel about joining a one voice organisation representing all Anglers????..... The ANGLING TRUST.

I'm all for it as long as the subscription is reasonable and reperesents value for money. More importantly, it's about time angling was recognised and properly promoted and funded.

I think this is just the kick up the ar** we all need !!

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[COLOR="Blue"]Because of the sheer volume of correspondence that we may expect over the coming weeks and months, it may not be possible to reply personally to everyone. There are a number of questions which have been raised more than once and we have attempted to provide answers to them where possible below. There is still a great deal of discussion to be had before the final proposal is fully formed, and we are likely to need further feedback to assist us in ways of avoiding potential pitfalls of the new organisation.

Above all, we have been reassured by the fact that more than 90% of the responses we have received have been unconditionally supportive of the concept of a unified body for angling. We are now working with accountants, lawyers and marketing specialists to develop a name, a corporate structure, membership arrangements and benefits package.

Hopefully, whilst we work to achieve our goal, the summary of Frequently Asked Questions detailed below, will provide some of the answers to some of your immediate questions.

1. Q: I am a life member of one of the organisations. What will happen to my membership after unification?

A: It is anticipated that life memberships will be honoured and carried forward into the new body to recognise the substantial support of these members in the past. However, if this is the case, one-off donations from life members to help with the costs of establishing the new organisation would, of course, be very welcome.

2. Q: What if I am a member of more than one organisation at the moment?

A: You will only pay one subscription in the future. Four for the price of one! We realise that this will mean that we will initially lose some income from those people who have more than one subscription. However, we intend to grow the membership rapidly and cut overhead costs so that this initial dip will quickly be made up for by new membership revenue and efficiencies. This applies to clubs and individuals alike. Many clubs are struggling to decide to which of the many organisations they can afford to affiliate; now they will have just one annual membership charge but receive all the services offered by the existing bodies, and more. Donations will always be welcome of course…

3. Q: How much will membership cost?
A: We are working on this now with our advisers and will be testing the market over the coming weeks. We want the basic membership to be affordable for all anglers, but at the same time we need to make it possible for individuals to offer additional support for particular campaigns or activities.

Similarly, we will offer clubs, river and fishery owners a fuller range of services for much less than they would currently pay for membership of more than one of the participant organisations. In brief, we will charge less than the collective subscriptions, but do more!

4. Q: I support the concept of unification, but I want to be sure that the good work of the NFA/ACA/S&TA/NAFAC/NFSA/SAA will continue in the future and will not get lost in a large organisation

A: Our vision for the new body is that it will be able to do much more for anglers and fishery interests than the current sum of its existing parts. This will mean that it will encourage more young anglers, organise more competitions, exert greater influence on Government and its agencies, make more legal challenges to polluters, offer discounts and generally protect its members’ interests better. Our vision is not just for a body which does a little more of everything we currently do: we want to create an organisation which is in a completely different league to anything anglers, clubs and fishery managers have had before. It needs to be far more efficient, professional and dynamic. It must be nationally recognised by anglers and non-anglers alike.

5. Q: I’m worried that a larger organisation will be more bureaucratic and will waste money

A: It’s true that when organisations are very large they can become faceless bureaucracies which spend most of their money on meetings about meetings and fail to deliver any real benefits. Many government departments and agencies seem to fall into this trap… Anglers need a single organisation to represent properly their interests and while this is bound to be larger than any of the joining bodies it will always focus on delivering real benefits rather than maintaining its own existence.

By unifying, we will merge at least 4 administrations. By so doing, we will reduce the costs of printing, design, postage, software licences, audit fees, accountancy, legal advice, insurance, training and property management, to name but a few. More of the staff will spend their time delivering the organisation’s objectives, rather than on administration.

6. Q: Will the new organisation cover just England or the whole UK?
A: Some of the participant organisations currently work only in England, while others have operations throughout the UK. It is very important that all these operations continue, and continue to develop, after unification. However, the new body will also perform certain roles – for example being the governing body for coarse, game and possibly sea fishing – only in England. Other organisations will continue to act as the governing bodies for the different disciplines of angling in Scotland and in Wales.

Most anglers go fishing at one time or another in other nations within the UK. Many of the things this new body will do will benefit all anglers, wherever they fish. UK-wide and European activities affect our interests – these include implementation of the Water Framework Directive, conservation of cross border rivers, marine fisheries conservation, the effects of climate change etc. After all, many of our rivers flow, and fish swim, across borders within the UK.

We will continue to work closely with the existing organisations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to ensure that all anglers in the UK get the best service and support in the most sensible and cost-effective way.

7. Q: Is the new body just another talking shop?

A: NO. Everyone involved is committed to making absolutely sure that the new organisation will deliver real benefits to anglers. Objectives will be agreed in advance by consulting members, and performance will be monitored and reported. Service level agreements will be agreed with clubs, river and fishery owners. Angling has always benefited from the tremendous efforts of volunteers, from organising local competitions to lobbying Europe. The new body will give greater support to these stalwarts with technical advice, information materials and training courses.

8. Q: Will we get to vote on whether our organisation gets involved?

A: Each organisation has different constitutional arrangements, but there will be a further opportunity for members of all the existing bodies to have a say regarding whether or not their organisation joins the new body at this stage. In the case of the ACA, there will be a vote at the AGM.

9. Q: How democratic will the new organisation be? What role will clubs and individual members have in determining policy, electing the board and officers etc.?

A: The rules or constitution of the new organisation will be drafted over the next two months, but it is our intention that the new body will involve its members in policy decisions through a regional network of groups comprised of Consultatives and branches of the participant organisations. There will also be mechanisms in place for ballots or polls of the membership to be taken on controversial issues. The usual practice in representative organisations is for the Chairman and the Board to be elected by the membership to serve for a fixed term, after which they will choose whether to be put forward for re-election. The board would appoint the executives and other paid staff, who would be protected by employment legislation and could not be voted out of office. The organisation will only be able to prove to government that it is truly representative if it has a significant number of members and there is a transparent process for them to express their views.

10. Q: Will the new body be dominated by coarse/game/sea angling interests?

A: The governance arrangements of the new body will guarantee against any such domination.

As far as possible, issues will be dealt with across all disciplines. Cleaning up sewage overflows in our rivers, for example, would benefit all river fish and would also reduce coastal pollution. Angling is a positive contributor to society, the environment and the economy, whether it is done using a pole, fly rod or beach caster, and should be promoted in its entirety. There will, however, be topics which require a specialist approach and we intend to recruit staff and voluntary committee members who can discuss and take action to address particular issues such as Koi Herpes Virus in carp, the impact of salmon farms on wild stocks, or the minimum landing size for bass. However, nearly half of all regular anglers practice more than one type of fishing and we are determined to break down the artificial barriers which have been created between people who all share a love of angling.COLOR]
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Old 17-12-2008, 07:56 AM
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I think it is too broad a brush. Water quality is perhaps the only issue that is in common with all organisations. Personally I can't be involved in any organisation that promotes cometition angling as I believe it is harmful. Perhaps as I fish mostly in a solitary manner I am not an organisation kind of a person and I have enough of meetings at work.
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Old 17-12-2008, 08:52 AM
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Sounds like a single-political-party scenario. Which is fine, as long as the issues are simple enough for everyone to agree on. However, as zeolite has pointed out, not everyone will agree. This will leave anglers sometimes supporting a body that they do not agree with.

A bigger voice for angling concerns would be great but not at the expense of opinion.
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The simple fact is that the Government do not want to talk to multiple bodies representing any sport or activity and the only way to be heard is to have a unified representative body.

It is sad that it seems that the Salmon & Trout Association will not be joining, as a result one of my clubs has decided to discontinue membership of the S&T Assoc. as we find it difficult to see what we would now get for our membership.
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Personally I think it's a good idea. Whilst I can understand peoples reservations about an all encompassing organisation, overall it should mean a better representative voice for the sport.

I've been a member of BASC for several years now and it strikes me that the Angling Trust is going to be a similar organistaion in terms of how it 'presents' itself to government when issues arise.

For a while now I've been looking to join one of the fishing associations to support the sport in the same way I support shooting via BASC.......I'm always left with the conundrum about which one to join though as there are several!

I for one will support it, however I guess that only time will tell how successful it can be, and in particular how it deals with the differing voices/opinions in the ranks of the membership.

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I'm 100% behind it.

When the STA lobby the governement, or the ACA, or any other fishing body, the government doesn't listen. For years we've been complaining about the problems in the north sea with it's dwindling sand eel stocks affecting salmon/sea trout, norhing.

When the RSPB complain that the average weight and clutch size of puffins is affected by a low sandeel population, ministers are falling overthemslves rushing to a microphone!

More people go fishing than are members of the RSPB, but we have a fragmented voice so nobody listens, and a very low membership purely because whats the point of supporting an organisation nobody listens to?

This will be the organisation that starts to shout for our benefit, then we should start to see ministers listening.

Ever single angler, without question or excuse, should support this organisation from the very off to ensure it succeeds!
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This will be the organisation that starts to shout for our benefit, then we should start to see ministers listening.

Ever single angler, without question or excuse, should support this organisation from the very off to ensure it succeeds!
Your opinion and at odds with mine. I won't join and your assertions won't make a differece.
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The last thing we need for angling is an Arthur Scargill type organisation to draw attention to us. The government does not listen because it has better things to do with its time, such as spending the monthly expense allowance in John Lewis, paying family members wages for doing nothing and flouting immigration rules to bring in nannies for kids that might be theirs.
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I think it is too broad a brush. Water quality is perhaps the only issue that is in common with all organisations. Personally I can't be involved in any organisation that promotes cometition angling as I believe it is harmful. Perhaps as I fish mostly in a solitary manner I am not an organisation kind of a person and I have enough of meetings at work.
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I just re-read a thread about this on my "home " forum and there seems to be the same suspicious and cynical groundswell of opinion that I have. despite its assertions it seems to be Anglo-centric which is understandable because of the much greater number of English anglers and there is nothing wrong with that. I just can't see it representing any of my views because they will be irrelevant to them. I know nothing about coarse fishing and very little about sea angling which will make up the greatest number of the members surely so I don't know what issues they consider important. In Scotland we have a different regulatory body (SEPA) and a devolved goverment. So any lobbying will have to be pitched at them in addition to the EA and Westminster. even in scotland i think the largest game angling association is SANA and they have absolutely nothing to do with what I care about or am interested in.

Personally I think we would be better served in Scotland by a seperate group to lobby specifically to SEPA and the scottish goverment. This group should concentrate on improving water quality/pollution monitoring/habitat restoration, hammering salmon farming, controlling hydro-electric schemes,improving fishing access (mostly tackling owners who restrict access on waters with a Protection Order, Criminal scumbags that they are) and controlling poaching. I am sure I will think of a few more later.
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