When i was out with Paul Bebb i was using a team of three dries one was a daddy on the point and the two other were small black ones lol can't remember their names. When you fish a team what are the best combinations as when i tried it the turnover wasn't too good?
also do you ever fish two dries and maybe a suspender buzzer?

Earlier in the year I had success using a small nymph on the point and a parachute suspended bizzer on one dropper and a shipmans buzzer on the top dropper.
Three might be two much, I'd recommend a suspended/shuttlecock buzzer on the point and maybe a shipmans buzzer on the dropper. Other good ones for the point would be a deer hair emerger or cdc & elk.
Also be careful with flies made of deer hair, always use them on the point as they will spin like hell on droppers.

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For teams of dries Kcon, I'm afraid there's no substitute for lots and lots of practice/trial and error when it comes to team dynamics/leader set up etc. You really only want to be fishing 3 in a breeze capable of turning them all over. Concentrate on 2 for a while, pick out some teams that work well together then move on to 3.... in the right conditions. There's really no rules for fly choices - if they work well together then they're 'right'.

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Fly Clips & Stands

kcon1, as far as turn-over goes, you know that Paul uses 8lb Rio Powerflex tippet for his dry fly fishing (or did last September when a friend and I had a session with him) - he's very meticulous about measuring the length of his leader, where the droppers go and so on - he also fishes the biggest/heaviest fly on the point to help with turn-over (i.e. the daddy you describe). That tippet material is fairly hefty stuff and depending on what you are using, it might make a difference. In my experience, Paul fishes this technique on a fairly short line; lifting off and casting - no shooting of line or hauling, so you can concentrate on presentation; no need to cast far because you are in a drifting boat and you'll cover that water anyway with the boat's movement.

I would try to sort the presentation first before wondering about fishing different flies. You've paid for a guided day with a specialist; you'll get better value from it by mastering the technique rather than tinkering with the flies.

I hope you don't think I'm being harsh stating this...

Andrew

Double fly Rigs
If fish are feeding on very small flies with my eyesight as it is I find almost impossible to see a tiny fly so frequently I tie on a big, bushy fly (Wulff or Klinkhammer typically), and then have the smaller fly on a 24- to 30-inch dropper. The big fly serves as a locator and a strike indicator! As a fish hits the tiny fly as expected the big old Wulff will disappear as well. I have also had the wulff hit occassionally also but the greedy trout. Once you know the exact pattern you can use two of the same pattern, increasing the odds of getting a fish, simply watch the line and rough area the flies are floating in, it will usually be your flies that get hit once you know the pattern. ps you can test twice as many patterns this way to find what is being hit when trying out a waer to find out what they are taking. It also allows you to vary sizes to see which size of a fly i.e. an Olive is being taken!

Dry Fly & Emerger Rig
Which there is a hatch on trout will focus on as specific stage of the hatch cycle say the dry. So when uncertain if you should be casting a dun or an emerger, fish both! That way you can see which one works. When trout are preoccupied eating duns, greedy trout can't pass up a crippled-looking emerger. It is still food and easy pickings for them.

Attractor Dry Fly and Nymph
When you have no idea what the fish are eating and you want to cover a lot of water, I use this rig. Use an large attractor-pattern dry fly (I love Klinkhammer in the main however have had brilliant sucess at Marran Lakes using a Muddler) with a real attrator nymph — such as a BH GRHE on a dropper You can present each trout with two options flies. The dry fly acts as a strike-indicator for the nymph, and the this system it allows you to fish the nymph at a very specific depth. You can then vary the depth of the nymph. At Marran lakes I kept getting hit nicely with a combination of Klinkhammer/ Muddler and nymphs.

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Thanks for the advice i'll probably try 2 next time, i remember when i tries this method i fished a short line and caught a couple the fish then started rising towards the middle of the lake. When i cast pretty far i found the only to get get a good turnover was to give the line a sharp pull just before it hits the surface? not sure if its right but i had a few fish doing this

As Scratch says, team dynamics and leader setup is the biggie here.

Ennio states that the biggest heaviest fly is best as the point fly and this is generally true, however big bushy daddies can also offer far greater wind resistance than a lighter slimmer fly so may not turn over the leader properly. It might actually be better putting the big bushy daddy on the dropper and the slimmer fly on the point to aid turnover.

Mix it up if you're having turnover problems and see what works best.

Cheers

Ardbeg