My understanding too Jim - Goretex is the actual waterproof and breathable membrane, Goretex fabric is whatever the garment manufacturer bonds to the membrane - be it a jacket, waders, trousers, whatever. The only benefit of its breathable qualities in waders is to stop excessive sweating when walking so you don't get wet on the inside as well as the outside. When you're actually stood in the water all it does is stop the water on the outside getting in!

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Not sure that is factually correct Jim.
All breathable membranes are rated for water pressure on the outside before they give up, up and till that point is reached, they are still capable of performing the breathable function. hence the wet bum if worn whilst seated in a boat!
for instance, in a downpour, when jacket is getting pelters, and surface is soaked, it still breathes.
not sure at which point breathabillity stops, might be half the outside pressure, may be more, but the very nature of their performance is that they can expire smaller droplets outways, than the external droplets inways!
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bert

Ok, thanks for the replies. Perhaps I should rephrase my question, why aren't waterproof jackets manufactured from the same material as waders?

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A lot are. Branded names use the same membrane, is just the outer "shell" which may change.
Goretex is a branded trade name, garments which have "goretex" label are just that.
names like "simpatex" et al, are not goretex.
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bert

Hi Bert, I realise that but my question is why aren't wading jackets manufactured from the same material as waders? They are clearly more waterproof than the most expensive goretex wading jacket. I have always assumed that this was because of breathability yet waders are advertised as being breathable! Perhaps not breathable enough?!

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But they are!
jackets tend to have a more resillient outer layer, but the membrane is the same.
for instance, look at Simms goretex waders, and simms goretex jackets, the membrane is rated to exactly the same water pressure, however the jacket has a different outer layer!
regards
bert.

Thank you Bert. I thought I had said that,but obviously not well enough.

Jim

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I understand perfectly that the goretex layer is exactly the same in waders as it is in jackets. However,my waders do not have a goretex membrane yet they are breathable and completely waterproof. So, why aren't wading jackets constructed more like waders? If you submerged your elbow when wearing a top end wading jacket your elbow won't stay dry for very long!

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Interesting podcast interview with K C Walsh, owner of Simms
http://www.itinerantangler.com/podca...cast_s_14.html
where he explains how GoreTex works in waders, and how it does "breathe" in the water

Andrew

Not all waders use gortex. Like not all gloves use thinsulate or not all swimming cozzies use spandex.

You make the item and you pick who you want to pay a fee to for incorporating a licenced material.

In the case of fishing hats................. Oh bu@@er we'll get moved now.

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