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Old 11-12-2011, 05:48 PM
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Default Earliest recorded fish hook

Creationists read no further, archaeologists have discovered evidence which pushes back the earliest recorded evidence of fishing by 30,000 years allegedly.

And here's the 16,000 to 23,000 year old hook found amongst the other fishing related debris - barbless too -

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Deep sea fishing for tuna began 42,000 years ago

19:00 24 November 2011 by Wendy Zukerman

Tuna has been on the menu for a lot longer than we thought. Even 42,000 years ago, the deep-sea dweller wasn't safe from fishing tackle according to new finds in southeast Asia.

We know that open water was no barrier to travel in the Pleistocene – humans must have crossed hundreds of kilometres of ocean to reach Australia by 50,000 years ago. But while humans had already been pulling shellfish out of the shallows for 100,000 years by that point, the first good evidence of fishing with hooks or spears comes much later – around 12,000 years ago.

The new finds blow that record out of the water. Sue O'Connor at the Australian National University in Canberra and colleagues dug through deposits at the Jerimalai shelter in East Timor. They discovered 38,000 fish bones from 23 different taxa, including tuna and parrotfish that are found only in deep water. Radiocarbon dating revealed the earliest bones were 42,000 years old.

Amidst the fishy debris was a broken fish hook fashioned from shell, which the team dated to between 16,000 and 23,000 years. "This is the earliest known example of a fish hook," says O'Connor. Another hook, made around 11,000 years ago, was also found.

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Sandra Bowdler at the University of Western Australia in Perth, who was not involved in the study, is convinced that those colonising East Timor 42,000 years ago had "fully formed" fishing skills. "By this time, modern humans are assumed to have the same mental capacities as today," she says.

"There is nothing like this anywhere else in the world," says Ian McNiven of Monash University in Melbourne, who was not a member of O'Connor's team. "Maybe this is the crucible for fishing."

East Timor hosts few large land animals, so early occupants would have needed highly developed fishing skills to survive. "Necessity is the mother of invention," says O'Connor. "Apart from bats and rats, there's nothing to eat here."

But that doesn't necessarily mean that fishing began in the region. At the time, sea-levels were around 60 to 70 metres lower than today. Any sites of former human occupation that were located on the Pleistocene shore – rather than in coastal cliffs like the Jerimalai shelter – are now submerged.

Broader patterns of human migration suggest that more evidence of fishing would be found through examining those submerged sites. After leaving Africa around 70,000 years ago, it took modern humans only 20,000 years to skirt around Asia and reach Australia. The journey over land into Europe, although much shorter, took 30,000 years. "Humans appeared to move quite quickly along the coasts," says McNiven. "Developed fishing skills could have kept them moving."
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I have trouble seeing how they think that these are fish hooks
Im sure that they would have been smart enough to have a hook that would have tapered to keep the line/string/silk on the hook not one that would make it slip off.
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I have trouble seeing how they think that these are fish hooks
Im sure that they would have been smart enough to have a hook that would have tapered to keep the line/string/silk on the hook not one that would make it slip off.
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SNAP! My thoughts exactly, could be earrings or some type of seaming needle for pelts....no point no eye or spade...
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It would be interesting to hear an account from the scientist involved in the work rather than the news in brief report from NS - and just for the sake of balance the eye/point absence thang applies equally to the needle/ ear ring hypothesis.

Hooks may well have been tied to a line in a manner which suited the current skills and materials, eyed and spade end hooks are relatively modern.

I suppose people get these ideas from the context of the finds - here are some fish hooks from Greece, Mesolithic period - link - pretty similar eh?

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They Look way more like pat butcher earrings.
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Ach Denzil,your just a cynic,and it worries me you are lookin at some burds ear rings!

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They Look way more like pat butcher earrings.
My daughter, who also enjoys Eastenders, assures me that this isn't correct Denzil.

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I think they are throat gorges and not hooks.

A hook is designed to piece the mouth of the fish whereas a throat gorge is designed to get lodge in the throat of the fish. A gorge doesn't have to be as sharp or refined as hooks have to be.
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Whatever they are it's not propper fishing in my book, pah using hooks made out of shell, that's not propper fishing.....
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I'm amazed by stuff like this. Whether they be proper fish hooks as we know them, throat gorges as Al suggests or just gaffs for pulling fish out. Look at the workmanship involved in that, the time to whittle that down must have been hours and hours over days.

You'd be gutted if you lost one, makes you wonder just how much free time our ancestors had.

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