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Old 14-11-2011, 07:01 PM
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Over the last 12 months two well-known fly fishermen of my acquaintance have been bigging-up french nymphing, also known as the leader-to-hand technique, in print. Similarly some bloke I’ve never met has done the same thing in the latest Fly Fishing & Fly Tying Magazine. As many of you will know, this style of fishing involves no fly line extending much beyond the fly reel. Along with its predecessor czech nymphing (a few feet of flyline being used), and japanese Tenkara fishing, with a fixed length of line attached to the rod tip this truly is thin-end-of-the–the-wedge stuff. God knows where it will end. Before too long some foreigner’s going to come along and reveal that you can catch trout on flies fished close to the edge on stillwaters!

All this alien no-flyline stuff will make redundant all those lovingly – and often expensively - acquired casting skills. AAPAGAI, APGAI, REFFIS, whatever, qualifications will count for nothing and angling instructors will be queuing at job centres the length and breadth of the land. And things will be as bad for the tackle tarts as they will be for the trade. With those gorgeous expensively-engineered reels becoming pointless, there will be much less to drool over, covet or break the bank for. Tears and breakdowns all round, I’d say.

When I was nobbut a lad, like almost every other coarse angler of my generation, I fished with rod and running line. But again, the foreign way came to stay and we got the dreaded pole. Fishing without proper casting is not british, it’s not right, and it’s got to be stopped.
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Old 14-11-2011, 07:28 PM
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Are you saying casting a french leader is easy?
And on another note do you insist on using cane for rods and horse hair for tapered leaders? If not, you are a hypocrite.
And on yet another note what exactly is "proper" fly fishing?
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Old 14-11-2011, 07:33 PM
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You obviously do not agree with or enjoy this style of fishing so my assumption would be you would never fish this way ??
So why on earth complain about the way others enjoy to fish ?
Get a grip mate, as long as its legal get over yourself.


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Is backdirfting a proper way to fly fish
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Old 14-11-2011, 07:40 PM
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David,

in one of your links there appears to be a man fishing from a canoe, and a woman with a mullet. [Could be the wrong way round]

Have you no decency?

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I'm all in favour of some improper fishing


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Default Re: Alien styles killing ‘proper’ fly fishing - it’s gotta be stopped

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Over the last 12 months two well-known fly fishermen of my acquaintance have been bigging-up french nymphing, also known as the leader-to-hand technique, in print. Similarly some bloke I’ve never met has done the same thing in the latest Fly Fishing & Fly Tying Magazine. As many of you will know, this style of fishing involves no fly line extending much beyond the fly reel. Along with its predecessor czech nymphing (a few feet of flyline being used), and japanese Tenkara fishing, with a fixed length of line attached to the rod tip this truly is thin-end-of-the–the-wedge stuff. God knows where it will end. Before too long some foreigner’s going to come along and reveal that you can catch trout on flies fished close to the edge on stillwaters!

All this alien no-flyline stuff will make redundant all those lovingly – and often expensively - acquired casting skills. AAPAGAI, APGAI, REFFIS, whatever, qualifications will count for nothing and angling instructors will be queuing at job centres the length and breadth of the land. And things will be as bad for the tackle tarts as they will be for the trade. With those gorgeous expensively-engineered reels becoming pointless, there will be much less to drool over, covet or break the bank for. Tears and breakdowns all round, I’d say.

When I was nobbut a lad, like almost every other coarse angler of my generation, I fished with rod and running line. But again, the foreign way came to stay and we got the dreaded pole. Fishing without proper casting is not british, it’s not right, and it’s got to be stopped.
I tend to agree with you. Much passes for "fly-fishing" in this day and age and as I said, on a previous post, it would make far more sense to fish the so-called czech nymphing style with a 3 metre pole than with fly-fishing tackle.
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No, I've got it wrong.

There's a man with a mullet fishing for a woman with thick lips, in a vessel borrowed from the Eskimos.

Either way, my MP is going to recieve a stern letter.
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I don't think that there is much 'new' in the style it is merely a revamp of a very old technique.

North county flies were, and still are, fished upstream with long rods and light lines at least around 200 years ago. Fishing this method anglers of yore would make a short cast upstream then using a long rod, track the flies downstream by lifting the rod and keeping in touch with the flies.
Add a few developments such as; lighter better engineered rods that allow us to cast lighter lines/leaders,better leader materials and heavier flies and you arrive at these alien styles you speak of.

It is also worth noting that at least one of these developments can be traced back at least 50 years to Frank Sawyer when he started to use copper wire to help weight his nymphs.



All that aside how would you propose to stop it?

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I don't think that there is much 'new' in the style it is merely a revamp of a very old technique.

North county flies were, and still are, fished upstream with long rods and light lines at least around 200 years ago. Fishing this method anglers of yore would make a short cast upstream then using a long rod, track the flies downstream by lifting the rod and keeping in touch with the flies.
Add a few developments such as; lighter better engineered rods that allow us to cast lighter lines/leaders,better leader materials and heavier flies and you arrive at these alien styles you speak of.

It is also worth noting that at least one of these developments can be traced back at least 50 years to Frank Sawyer when he started to use copper wire to help weight his nymphs.



All that aside how would you propose to stop it?

Frank

Ban all aliens. Have you not seen that renowned documentary 'Men in Black' ?
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