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Old 02-08-2011, 07:56 AM
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Can anyone recommend some good books that cover the basics of developing or taking over a trout fishery please?

I'm sure I'm not the only person to have the dream of escaping London and running a fishery. 
And I'm well aware that the overwhelming majority of people never see it through.
But I have a good 10 years until I'm at the stage of my life for it to be viable. So I think why not do as much research as possible in the meantime, starting off with the basics. 

And if my dream never materialises then at least I've learnt about what I'm sure is a fascinating subject, which will at the very least will make me appreciate all the hard work that goes in to running the fisheries I frequent. 

Thanks in advance for any advice
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This is a good place to start, the Institute of Fisheries Management;

https://www.ifm.org.uk/news/

They also do certificate and diploma courses, but you can buy the reading material without doing the course;

https://www.ifm.org.uk/training/certificate/
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Old 02-08-2011, 08:47 AM
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This is a good place to start, the Institute of Fisheries Management;

https://www.ifm.org.uk/news/

They also do certificate and diploma courses, but you can buy the reading material without doing the course;

https://www.ifm.org.uk/training/certificate/
That's why I love this website, I ask a question and half an hour later get an incredibly helpful answer!

Thanks a lot for that, my membership form will be winging it's way to the IFM by the end of the day...
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Also consider the Wild Trout Trust info and advise, not really about fisheries but good none-the-less:

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"Making and Managing a Trout Lake" Rupert Barrington ISBN 0 85238 126 3
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Can anyone recommend some good books that cover the basics of developing or taking over a trout fishery please?

I'm sure I'm not the only person to have the dream of escaping London and running a fishery. 
And I'm well aware that the overwhelming majority of people never see it through.
But I have a good 10 years until I'm at the stage of my life for it to be viable. So I think why not do as much research as possible in the meantime, starting off with the basics. 

And if my dream never materialises then at least I've learnt about what I'm sure is a fascinating subject, which will at the very least will make me appreciate all the hard work that goes in to running the fisheries I frequent. 

Thanks in advance for any advice
Dan

Hi there Dan. I would recommend, for fish health, that you read this...
Handbook of Trout and Salmon Diseases: Amazon.co.uk: Ronald J. Roberts, C.Jonathan Shepherd: Books Handbook of Trout and Salmon Diseases: Amazon.co.uk: Ronald J. Roberts, C.Jonathan Shepherd: Books

I was going to send you my only copy but looking here there are used copies available for under £3. This is an excellent book on salmonid health conditions which you should be aware of as a potential fishery manager. It also explains, very well, the relationship between pathogens, hosts, environmental conditions and stress. Overall, it will give you a basic knowledge of salmonid health and behaviour that no fishery manager should be without.

I would also recommend that you make contact with on-growing production sites in the area that you are thinking of establishing yourself, and volunteer to help out for free in your spare time, every now and again. This would allow you to see how the trout are kept and managed, and gain you an understanding of what's right and what is not. This, in time, will stand you in good stead when it comes to taking delivery of your fish. By then you will know exactly what you are looking for and be able to spot problems at an early stage. The book also covers the reasons why you may need to manually aerate a small, wind-sheltered fishery suffering warm water temps, as you may well experience down south.

I have a Diploma in Fish Farm Production & Fisheries Management, and I have extensive experience in all aspects from hatcheries through to on-growing fish for the re-stocking market, so if there's any help or advice I can possibly give you, then please just ask.
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Thanks so much for the advice everyone.

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I have a Diploma in Fish Farm Production & Fisheries Management, and I have extensive experience in all aspects from hatcheries through to on-growing fish for the re-stocking market, so if there's any help or advice I can possibly give you, then please just ask.
Guy: you may well regret this, as I'm pretty sure I'll have a lot of questions!
But seriously, it's hugely appreciated.

My first question is... do you think the IFM correspondence course is a good place for me to start?
At first glance it seems to cover everything I'd need to give me a broad basic knowledge and can be done at my own pace and in my spare time.
It's £210 (£30 membership/£180 for the course) to complete the 6 modules, which to me seems very good value.
Or do you think I should read a book such as 'Making and Managing a Trout Lake' by Rupert Barrington" (or another book if you know of anything more suitable) first, before forking out £180?


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Can anyone recommend some good books that cover the basics of developing or taking over a trout fishery please?
Ex POW Alex Behrendt set up 'Two Lakes', perhaps first of its kind, the book is a little out of date but for 10 or 12 quid an enjoyable must read: alex behrendt - the management of angling water - AbeBooks
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No, to be honest I think over the length of time you are suggesting, that you can research all you really need to know, for free. It really isn't rocket science.

Courses and literature are no match for hands on experience though. It really is the kind of job that you really can't start to learn until actually doing it.

Everything all depends on what you want from fishery management. Some people have just had the opportunity to lease a water which they just happen to know has good water quality. It's not too hard then to pay for some fish to be delivered by folk that know what they are doing and hopefully will get your fish to you in good condition. As long as there are fish to catch people will come pay and fish. So you can do this, with certain risks obviously, without any in depth knowledge of what you are doing. And many fisheries are like this.

Other fishery managers are passionate about what they do and try everything they can to make their fishery venue, and the quarry in the best possible condition. To do this you have to arm yourself with some basic knowledge. Like I said, it's not rocket science.

As a fly angler you will already have a keen interest in entomology. You should also read up on plants and photosysnthesis, algae, eutrophication, water quality, aquatic invertebrates, relationships between dissolved gases and temperature, water stratification, etc... All these will give you an understanding of what is happening in your fishery at any given time in any given conditions.

This will arm you with the knowledge of when to stock and more importantly, when not to stock, which will minimise losses.

Really, this is all any book, or any course is going to tell you. Unless you were required to have an accreditation to gain employment then I wouldn't bother.
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No, to be honest I think over the length of time you are suggesting, that you can research all you really need to know, for free. It really isn't rocket science.

Courses and literature are no match for hands on experience though. It really is the kind of job that you really can't start to learn until actually doing it.

Everything all depends on what you want from fishery management. Some people have just had the opportunity to lease a water which they just happen to know has good water quality. It's not too hard then to pay for some fish to be delivered by folk that know what they are doing and hopefully will get your fish to you in good condition. As long as there are fish to catch people will come pay and fish. So you can do this, with certain risks obviously, without any in depth knowledge of what you are doing. And many fisheries are like this.

Other fishery managers are passionate about what they do and try everything they can to make their fishery venue, and the quarry in the best possible condition. To do this you have to arm yourself with some basic knowledge. Like I said, it's not rocket science.

As a fly angler you will already have a keen interest in entomology. You should also read up on plants and photosysnthesis, algae, eutrophication, water quality, aquatic invertebrates, relationships between dissolved gases and temperature, water stratification, etc... All these will give you an understanding of what is happening in your fishery at any given time in any given conditions.

This will arm you with the knowledge of when to stock and more importantly, when not to stock, which will minimise losses.

Really, this is all any book, or any course is going to tell you. Unless you were required to have an accreditation to gain employment then I wouldn't bother.

Just taking on board everything you've said, I'm thinking that that is a lot of subjects to read up about when you don't know what you're looking for.
ie: I could spend a lot of time trying to track down the information that is relevant to me and could also waste a lot of time ingesting information that in the long run is of no use to me.
(I don't mean that in a lazy way, I love to read about new things but as someone with quite a bad memory for facts, the more streamlined the information is, the better)

Whereas if I did a course that is geared directly towards the information that I need to know, although it may cost me a little bit more, I can be sure that everything I'm learning is of tangible use.

Obviously you have a diploma in this subject, so it probably seems quite obvious to you what books to read etc
But for me my only knowledge in the field is from my 3 years of experience in fly fishing!
So I'm literally started from nothing, so I could maybe benefit from the guiding parameters of a course to set me off in the right direction.
Maybe £210 in the grand scheme of things could end up a good investment?

Just thinking out loud here, I'm not discounting your advice at all!

You also suggested 'making contact with on-growing production sites in the area' which sounds like a great idea, as you say, hands on is the best approach.
Any idea what websites I could search on to find that out?
(I'm in Blackheath, South London)

And finally you say about leasing a fishery and managing it, that definitely sounds like one option but my real end plan would be to actually develop a new fishery.
I'm very passionate about the subject and think that Kent is absolutely crying out for a good trout fishery.
(a fishery similar to Lakedown in East Sussex, would be my aim)
Apart from a few tiny venues there is hardly anywhere to fish for trout in Kent and I would love to change that.

Anyway, that is a long way off and I have A LOT of reading and research to do before even allowing myself to dream that far ahead!

Thanks again for your help.

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