This czech nymph fishing mallarky now i have done a bit of research but i just want to run it bye those in the know.10ft rod #4/5, fly line dont seem to matter as it is off the water at the end of the fly line you put some sort of indicator then attached to that is 10 to 12 ft of fluro,you can either fish with 2 or 3 flies attached with droppers and you can muck about with the length of them [recipe for disaster imho] and you put the heaviest fly in the middle if useing 3 flies,instead of casting you just flick the flies upstream and trot them down watching the indicater for any slight movement then strike at the end of the run down and repeat the proccess,is this correct?????????

Sounds about right. Use a shorter leader myself, but yep, that's the technique although I don't use an indicator as such as you will find you are more or less in contact all the time and can see any movement that warrants a strike. ATB, Alan

Hello Horses,

you're partly right. The whole thing is you don't have any line on the surface, your line is perpendicular to it. This will actually slow down your train, no drag at all. The heavy middle nymph will get the smallest one close to the bottom where the fish (read grayling) are. Start with two nymphs, you'll catch plenty of doubles....I mean two fish at once. I stopped using three, too embarrassing to try and unhook three. In fact I made up some sinker nymphs that don't catch. As for indicators, like Alan says, no need. Maybe 1' of fluo green nylon just above the surface when light conditions dictate. Many don't like it, deadly technique. Steered away from it too, but unmissable when you're a competition angler.

Johan

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Johan Janssens

Horses,

The expert advice (from the likes of John Tyzack and from an Orvis day) is to match the length of your tippet to the rod so 10 ft in total for a 10 ft rod.

Space your flies 20" apart.

Double & treble hookups? - never happened for me but I don't fish rivers that are stuffed with fish as they seem to be in Belgium! So - don't worry about using three flies - 3 times more chance of catching a fish!

Indicators - essential if you want to catch when you are starting out - whatever people tell you, it is NOT easy to spot takes - rarely do fish seem to hook themselves and rarely will you get an arm wrenching pull.

But - it seems to be an effective technique and the only way of catching when the fish are near the bottom of the river.

Best of luck!

Kind regards

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Phil Holding
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Airedale, North Yorkshire

The other great thing taught by John Tyzack is that ANY hesitation, alteration in movement, pause or un-natural movement strike immediately. Made me realise how often I miss-read the movement assuming it was water and bottom, sometimes the movement and hestitation is so brief it is easily missed!

Get a days lesson with him or a good guide.

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Andy Kitchener www.theessentialfly.com

Happened to have some conversations about the technique with a European champion and a Belgian champion. The length of the tippet has nothing to do with the length of the rod but with the depth of the water you're fishing. The rule being 1,5 x depth. As your line is in an angle upstream and passing in front of you, you raise the rod tip without pulling the flies (unless you want to do it intentionally). When the flies drift downstream you lower the rod again. And the first passages you let the flies sweep until in line with the rod to recast in the most ergonomic way. Afterwards you try different actions on the same stretch, if you suspect there are still fish left. Never found a grayling without another one nearby, as they live in groups. Maybe ask the experts to refine your technique, Spider?

Johan

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Johan Janssens

After a recent day out with Chris Aldred and Louis Noble on the Dee, I now use 15-20ft braid attached to your fly line(loop to loop). The fly line remains on your reel, with the appropriate tippet material attached (loop to loop) at the other end and boy it's like turning the sensitivity up to 10 from -5, you can feel every bump of every stone and you certainly feel the fish but you must remain in contact with your flies...

Woz

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Me OR a good guide?
Cheers Andy!!!

To avoid confusion: when 'bugging' (close quarters, under the rod tip stuff) I'd suggest a total leader length of LESS THAN the rod length (10' rod with 8-9' leader for example). Indicator placed next to the fly line...

When nymphing at range (indicator placed within the leader) the total leader length can be anything at all... Witness some
of these 'french' leaders at 900cm length...

Match the appropriate leader set up to location, conditions, all other variables, etc

I can show you, or alternatively, try a 'good guide' as Andy says!

Lol...

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Hello John,

guess you are the expert. So when talking 9 meter leaders upstream you still call it Czech nymphing?

Johan

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Johan Janssens

The basic issue here is that 'Czech Nymphing' is something of a generic term for a number of techniques and variations.

It may be with a rather short leader of little more than 2m with two flies 50cm apart - the classic Jiri Klima approach or the approach of Milan Janus, three flies on a leader of 3 or 4 m or more that might incorporate 2 'indicator' sections.

As JT says, or any good guide , it really is a matter of 'horses for courses' and the water and conditions you're faced with that dictates the approach.

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