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Old 07-12-2010, 02:10 PM
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I reckon that over the past few seasons I get the chance to fish less than once a fortnight. As a consequence I re-discover my casting skills (extremely limited as they are) on every visit to the water. I currently use 2 rods (Thomas and Thomas Helix 8' 6" #3 and 9' #6) which are described as medium fast. I am looking to buy a 7' 6" 3# rod for small stream fishing and was fancying a soft through action Orvis Trout Bum.
Has anybody any experience of using a soft action rod and are they easier to cast than the medium-fast action I am used to?
Would I be right in thinking that a soft action might be easier to time than a fast action and thus be better suited to a part time fisherman like myself?
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i have yet to see a beginner find soft a benefit to cast with, you may feel more or land fish more sensitively but the term 'forgiving' is just a good way to sell low modulus carbon to the unwitting.
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Old 07-12-2010, 02:53 PM
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Rods should be matched to the intended fishing situation and NOT to the casting preferences of the angler. This is the least understood concept in fly fishing, IMO, mainly due to the marketing efforts of the rod makers who are on an endless quest to convince you that buying a new rod will solve your casting problems by "better suiting your natural style".

Bull biscuits.

A competent fly angler doesn't need to search out a rod that fits his style, he adapts his style to fit the rod that is the best match to the fishing conditions at hand.

Regardless of your casting ability, for small stream work that requires short rods, the softer action is the way to go. It's a typical mistake that many less-experienced anglers make, to fixate only on the casting properties of a rod and their reaction to these properties without considering the fishing situation as a whole whereby they are only a small part of the equation.

A slower-actioned rod loads more easily with less line out the tip, which obviously is a situation you will most often be in on a small, confined stream. The softer rod responds more readily to protect fine tippet, and the deeper bend and give helps play the smaller fish you find on a small creek much more effectively.

Many who have drunk the rod industry's marketing Koolaid have misinterpreted a "through" action as being "sloppy". While at one time, this could certainly be the case, I haven't seen much of this issue since the demise of cheap fiberglass in the late 70s and early 80s.

A rod like the Trout Bum will certainly NOT be sloppy and difficult to cast. It will require an adjustment as would any rod that's different from what you already own, but that's the point. To become a better angler who can be effective on more waters, you have to get out there and fish them and in the process build your skills with the tools of the trade.

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I reckon that over the past few seasons I get the chance to fish less than once a fortnight. As a consequence I re-discover my casting skills (extremely limited as they are) on every visit to the water. I currently use 2 rods (Thomas and Thomas Helix 8' 6" #3 and 9' #6) which are described as medium fast. I am looking to buy a 7' 6" 3# rod for small stream fishing and was fancying a soft through action Orvis Trout Bum.
Has anybody any experience of using a soft action rod and are they easier to cast than the medium-fast action I am used to?
Would I be right in thinking that a soft action might be easier to time than a fast action and thus be better suited to a part time fisherman like myself?
I have used the trout bum, I loved it, but I learnt on a sloppy old 9' split cane. See if you can try one first, other wise why not go for a more medium to tip action like your used to. (Sage TXL's are going down in price at present as the new generation comes in).

But really why I am posting is to say..dont attempt to buy the rod to suite your casting style especially as your low on confidence. If your casting is a problem get a lesson when you can give yourself some time to hone what you have learnt into your casting muscles, and buy the rod to suit the type of fishing your expecting it to do.
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Well Said FG,

I agree!! Anyhow, Fly Fishing should be a relaxing pass time; and a rod with a softer more flexible action will give far more pleasure - once you master it, or any other style of rod you choose! Just enjoy your fishing.
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David, correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression you recently bought a small cane rod, or were you just contemplating it?
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perhaps the best solution is to buy 2 rods, a soft rod is quite fun after a stiff one and a stiff one is interseting after a soft one, thats way more interesting that getting the right one
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Agree with Grouse, more rubbish talked about rods than anything else.
Although for small stream work a fibreglass rod may be better than carbon.
loads faster and wont snap if you hit a tree branch.
Cane possibly better still......
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You go fishing plenty often enough to be a totally competant caster, I bet you go more than most people. Have a few lessons to better understand the process, then you can figure it out quite easily when it's going wrong, then you can cast any rod you like
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Rods should be matched to the intended fishing situation and NOT to the casting preferences of the angler. This is the least understood concept in fly fishing, IMO, mainly due to the marketing efforts of the rod makers who are on an endless quest to convince you that buying a new rod will solve your casting problems by "better suiting your natural style".

Bull biscuits.

A competent fly angler doesn't need to search out a rod that fits his style, he adapts his style to fit the rod that is the best match to the fishing conditions at hand.

Regardless of your casting ability, for small stream work that requires short rods, the softer action is the way to go. It's a typical mistake that many less-experienced anglers make, to fixate only on the casting properties of a rod and their reaction to these properties without considering the fishing situation as a whole whereby they are only a small part of the equation.

A slower-actioned rod loads more easily with less line out the tip, which obviously is a situation you will most often be in on a small, confined stream. The softer rod responds more readily to protect fine tippet, and the deeper bend and give helps play the smaller fish you find on a small creek much more effectively.

Many who have drunk the rod industry's marketing Koolaid have misinterpreted a "through" action as being "sloppy". While at one time, this could certainly be the case, I haven't seen much of this issue since the demise of cheap fiberglass in the late 70s and early 80s.

A rod like the Trout Bum will certainly NOT be sloppy and difficult to cast. It will require an adjustment as would any rod that's different from what you already own, but that's the point. To become a better angler who can be effective on more waters, you have to get out there and fish them and in the process build your skills with the tools of the trade.

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