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Old 12-09-2010, 09:31 PM
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Spiders are hardly the most difficult things to tie but I can't seem to get the hackle looking good. Some feathers/hackles turn out ok in all fairness, but others refuse to behave and don't spread around the hook uniformly. Is this par for the course? I doubt it.

I have a bag of feathers and a full skin. The ones in the bag seem a little brittle. Can't decide where on the skin to pluck?

Any hints would be greatly appreciated...

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Old 12-09-2010, 09:44 PM
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The few that I have tied, I have taken the feather off of the wing like Davie McPhail demonstrates in his videos. Phil Holden is the resident expert on spiders I would seek his advise. Surely someone with advanced knowledge & skill will be along shortly.


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Old 12-09-2010, 10:12 PM
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the wings, neck and shoulders..
if you look through the forum this has been discussed many times, plenty of info

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Are you tying the feather on from the tip end.
failing that it could be you have some hackles which are stuck together. Can you post a picture of the problem

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Are you tying the feather on from the tip end.
failing that it could be you have some hackles which are stuck together. Can you post a picture of the problem

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Yes, they do seem to be a bit sticky when they don't work...I'll do a pic.

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Old 13-09-2010, 02:38 AM
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I am no expert, but at first glance that hackle looks to be too large and thick to spin symmetrically around the shaft. If you figure it out or get the correct answer let us know. I am keen to understand this one.

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ok.. the way i was taught to tie spiders was to stroke the fibers back, finding the point you wish to tie in at, then with the top of the feather facing your lips, suck the fibres back, folding the feather in half along the stork so the top side is folded into the centre and the bottom side is facing outward.

Tie in and wrap around the hook, 1 1/2 times (ish) stroke the fibres back GENTLY, just coax them back you dont want to stick them back hard to the shank. Trap trim and whip finish, the fibres should lay properly

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Old 13-09-2010, 09:25 AM
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Very nice Martin.
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Old 13-09-2010, 10:34 AM
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That video by Davie is excellent.
I tie mine differently,

Here is how I build a Harelug and plover (optional gold butt omitted)
This fly is tied here - NOT in the traditional collar hackled version, but Stewart style Spider, it is my preferred spider construction for action and durability.

Materials required...
Kamasan B160, #14
Yellow Pearsall's silk waxed and waxed again
Golden plover hackle, long enough of fiber to reach almost into the bend, NO longer, long enough to reach the barb is fine.
A tiny pinch of dark fur from root of hare's ear

1. take four turns around the hook iron, just behind the hook eye.
Push the thread right up behind the eye and cut off excess.
Lay in a spoon shaped feather to suit the hook, convex side down, on top of the shank.
Trap the hackle with four turns, break off hackle butt and wind the silk to opposite hook point.
Dub hare fur on to the silk
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2. wind the dubbed hare to 1/2 way point of body, let thread hang
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3. Find the tip of the feather - run your fingernail down the far side of the hackle stem to 'break' the set of the fibers on the stem to assist winding
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4. Wind the hackle three or four turns to arrive at the thread hang point and tie the hackle tip in with two turns, be gentle or you will break the hackle tip
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5. Wind the thread wiggling it to and fro, back and forward through the hackle to the head
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6 Groom back any unruly fibers and take a turn of silk to secure
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7. Whip finish, cut off hackle tip and cut off silk
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The same procedure can be used, building the body all along the shank, then taking 1-2 turns of collar hackle, then whip finish.
I find this method easier as the hackle is tied in at the start so you don't have to fight with the hackle,as you would if tying it in last at the head.

If you can tie as well as Davie, you won't have that problem.

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Very nice as well Roy.
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