good sub surface sedge pattern ??

[ickypimp]

My last couple of visits to the itchen have been frustrating... the fish have been swirling sub surface, massive quantities of sedges zig-zaging over the water but i have struggled to make contact... tried elk and cdc, grhe, spiders, nowt doing..

i have been looking for a sub surface (just) caddis pattern to try any suggestions ??

[ROVER]

How about a version of steve thorntons soft bodied pupa - I think the tying sequence is free on the VN website. You can easily simplify it to make it a quicker tie, but keep the main part which is the nymph skin body that gives it it buoyancy to sit subsurface.

Rover

[tinsoldier]

What about the Roman moser bubble sedge? good pattern and depending on hook and materails u should get it sitting where you want normally it sits on the surface but puling the fly about a foot or so makes it duck under then back up,hope this helps

[muddler9]

The good old Invicta might do the trick, fished sub-surface. It may be old but it still catches.

[REIDY10_0]

Dunkeld?
Partridge and Orange?

Munro

[Chris Reeves]

For sub surface emerging sedges an Invicta takes some beating, however I find any of the CDC and elk style flies, greased and fished on a midge tip or long leader of heavy fluro carbon can be pulled under and fished just a couple of inches down with a fast figure of 8 retrieve.

Another great fly is one of Brian Leadbeater's (remember him?) A simple firey brown seals fur body, palmered with a ginger hackle in sizes 12 and 14 with a white floss tag or short tail. An easy fly to tie and very effective,

Regards

[grenadier]

might be an idea to try the washing line effect even on a river/small stream, i found this a few times in the past and anything remotely on the surface never got a look in,although, you could tie some pupapatterns suspend them under a stocking wrapped foam ball tied to some nylon/flourocarbon tied into the fly pattern, you can then do 3or4 in different lengths ie. 1inch, 1.5inch,2inch,

[ickypimp]

thanks for the suggestions...

i think the invictaa might be pushing it... chalkstream rules and all that.. i do fish spiders but i use them like dries.. hackle them a bit heavier and give am a wipe of loon...

[Buzz]

I dont think you can whack a yellow spider with partridge hackle and a good build up of HE as a thorax. If your getting fancy some brown ice dub mixed with the HE makes it all the more effective.

[ickypimp]

Originally Posted by Buzz

I dont think you can whack a yellow spider with partridge hackle and a good build up of HE as a thorax. If your getting fancy some brown ice dub mixed with the HE makes it all the more effective.

Thanks buzz i will certainly give that a go..