Sedgehog/hedgehog confusion!

[syphogenic]

I was always under the impression that a sedgehog didn't have a muddler head and a half hog generally had pheasant tail legs. Then, I see this page

Home Page select Hogs in the menu.


Now in my book a sedgehog has a fully tipped roe/sika mohican style matuka wing... a hedgehog has been tied using deer hair only clipped (a bomber). Have the flies become so lost in the translation that nobody can say what is a hedgehog, a sedgehog or even a muddler? Are they morphing into each other? Perhaps an Orcadian, preferably a non cravat wearing, down to earth Orcadian could sort this out for forum members....?

[Gander]

Take a look at this previous thread.

Sedgehog/Hedgehog.

[syphogenic]

Yip, I've already read all this bulls**t! What I would like is clarification from the Originator as to the SEDGEHOG pattern. If this is possible, otherwise the fly will remain unclear

[Gander]

Originally Posted by syphogenic

What I would like is clarification from the Originator as to the SEDGEHOG pattern. If this is possible, otherwise the fly will remain unclear

Read the thread I referenced again. You will see that Troutheaven is the originator of the Sedgehog. That should clear things up for you.

[ACW]

Originally Posted by Gander

Read the thread I referenced again. You will see that Troutheaven is the originator of the Sedgehog. That should clear things up for you.

Being picky ,the populariser of the Hogs was Stan , T&S a fair while ago ,think in that thread he has acknoledged the originator as a Sandy Nicholsan.
Have to say not a full hog fan but love the half hogs.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by syphogenic

I was always under the impression that a sedgehog didn't have a muddler head and a half hog generally had pheasant tail legs. .?

Half Hogs do not have PT legs. When PT legs are added to the HH, the fly becomes a Half Hog Hopper.

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Originally Posted by ACW

Being picky ,the populariser of the Hogs was Stan , T&S a fair while ago ,think in that thread he has acknoledged the originator as a Sandy Nicholsan.
Have to say not a full hog fan but love the half hogs.

The originator of the Hedgehog was Sandy Nicholson. Stan acknowledges that the Sedgehog was developed from Sandy's fly, but for a different style of fishing.

For me also, the Half Hog is the more effective fly of the genre.

[darwin]

I read all of this and my eyes went cross and a vein started thumping in my head. I feel more confused than before I turned on my pc.
Where is the rule book? Never mind, time for a swim and a glass of wine.

[CORONA]

Here`s my tuppence worth


In all honesty this sort of tying or should i say the naming of tied flies does absolutely nothing for flytying whatsoever,,as has been said it only confuses the issue,,Novice tyers are trying in vain to learn about tying,the names of flies,materials used etc but instead they are getting more and more confused,,hell it confuses the **** outta me..

then why are so many people hell bent on naming nearly every material they decide to put on a fly ? seems the more materials used the longer the named fly it makes no sense at all

here are just a few from that little selection

Biotic hares ear hedgehog ... SAY WHA ??

UV picric straggle sedgehog ...


and the best

Muddled hells half hog hopper ...WTF

now if you wanna sell your flies thats fair enough far be it from me to say how you name them but it is getting a tad rediculous to say the least

lets say we add three more materials to the above fly,,for instance Straggle Fritz and maybe a silver rib ohhh and lets say a touch of something to make it look emerger like What Then ???

does that mean we have a
Silver ribbed muddled hells straggled half hog emerging hopper where does it end

they are nothing more than variations on a theme anyway..

call me old fashioned if you like but i think i`d settle for a good old Invicta anyday be it Silver,Pearly or double dyed picric hi-vis holographic super shiny silver mylar




CORONA

[jonboy]

Bl00dy brilliant best (FUNNIEST) post I have read in ages , agree wholeheartedly, to mere mortal tiers like myself it gets confusing no offence intended to the number of great flea whippers on here but keep it real lads , my own tying has come on leaps n bounds thanks to what I have picked up on here .

tightlines jonboy.

[darwin]

Originally Posted by CORONA

Here`s my tuppence worth
....
call me old fashioned if you like but i think i`d settle for a good old Invicta anyday be it Silver,Pearly or double dyed picric hi-vis holographic super shiny silver mylar
CORONA

Now that just caused me to spray coffee all over... funny stuff
I did follow one of these links to a site with absolutely beautiful flies. I can't wait for the day I have my head around all of this... it can be overly confusing but still fun.