caddis pupae

[pete85]

does any one have any patterns for when the trout are feeding heavily on caddis pupae... was out last night and the trout were violently rising, and none of my usual caddis patterns would work so i presume the were taken the pupae... would i be right in thinking i would fish the pupae subsurface as opposed to on the surface... any help appreciated...

[arkle]

River or lake ?

[shpeil]

Davie Mcphail does a nice looking one - on youtube. Or there's a rather complicated pattern in Total Flyfishing/er this month involving creating a hollow body from nymph skin.

[pete85]

on the river, a very deep pool with a narrow neck and a good flow, the trout were right up in the run, the best fish was over the 5lb mark... was very frustrating...
must look up you tube for that one

[articwolf]

here are a few that I'm sure you could follow if you read the info provided..this is taken from a site..

Caddis Sparkle Pupa
When caddis are ready to hatch they leave their pupal cocoon and get ready for the accent to the surface of the water. Most species exude gases from their newly formed adult body. This gas is trapped by the old pupal skin which still surrounds them. This process starts to separate the adult insect from this pupal shuck. The shuck is inflated forming a bubble or balloon around parts of the adult insect. The gases within this bubble reflects light. Each caddis pupa becomes a reflective buoyant orb as it swims and rises to the surface. Gary LaFontaine in his revolutionary book Caddisflies, noted that these reflective qualities made the caddis pupa highly visible to trout. The bubble becomes a key target for feeding fish. His answer was the Sparkle Pupa Series of flies. They are tied with a bubble of Antron fibers around the body to trap air and reflect light much the same as the real insect. The Sparkle Pupa Series of flies revolutionized fly fishing during a number of important caddis hatches and some of the most important patterns to have in your box when fishing Western streams.

..to see these flies ..here is the link...ArticWolf

http://www.flyfishusa.com/flies/cadlarva-7.htm

[pete85]

thanks artic wolf, have to get to the vise before tonight. do i fish these patterns below the surface film?

[articwolf]

But.....if you want to tie the 'Larva'...well here is one that works here for us..

...Hook: TMC 2457 (or any scud hook) 12-16
Abdomen: Embroidery yarn (colour to match body)
Dubbing: Natural rabbit
Thorax: Black tungsten bead
Head: Seagreen tint glass bead

Slip glass bead followed by tungsten bead on the hook.
Embroidery cotton comes in a six strand yarn. Cut a 6" piece of yarn and separate out the strands. Take one strand and tie in both ends at curve of the hook. Place the tiniest pinch of dubbing between the strands and no more than a quarter inch from the tie in point. Twist the doubled strand into a single rope and wrap up the hook to the tungsten bead (I use a dubing spinner to get a very tight rope). Tie off.



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Originally Posted by pete85

thanks artic wolf, have to get to the vise before tonight. do i fish these patterns below the surface film?

the ones Iposted first will sink just below the surface...and the last post..will be weighted cause of the tungsten bead head, which you don't need to add if U don't want to...I sub with peacock herl, then a black glass bead to finish off.

[steve collyer]

Originally Posted by pete85

does any one have any patterns for when the trout are feeding heavily on caddis pupae... was out last night and the trout were violently rising, and none of my usual caddis patterns would work so i presume the were taken the pupae... would i be right in thinking i would fish the pupae subsurface as opposed to on the surface... any help appreciated...

Here's a cracking general purpose Sedge pupa pattern on which I caught a load of trout at Weir Wood & Ardingly back in the day. It's also a very straightforward tie:

Invicta Sedge Pupa

Hook:
Size 10-12 Caddis or sedge pupa
Thread:
Olive or brown
Wing Case:
Any mottled brown feather fibres
Rib:
Medium oval gold tinsel
Body:
Yellow seals fur
Thorax:
Mix of equal parts yellow/olive/fiery brown seals fur
Hackle:
Smallest blue jay, 1/2 side stripped & tied as a collar

The idea being if the trout take the Invicta as a winged Sedge swimming around underwater, why not develop a pattern with wing cases instead & a more pupa-like appearance?
Works a treat but never really caught on!

[maharg]

A good mix of an invicta and Dr Bells' amber nymph.
Been looking for a good sedge emerger/pupa pattern for a while and still not stuck on one. Will give this one a go, cheers Steve.

[stevekale]

Steve Thornton has a good one: