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Old 21-05-2010, 10:16 PM
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Default What's the cheapest....Tying or buying??

As an avid fly tyer, i have my opinions on this but would like to hear what you all think?

With quality flys costing upwards of £1 now, is fly tying the cheap alternative?

Is the advantage of tying your own little variations so valid with the vast array of mass produced patterns now available?

I happen to think that if i'd bought all the patterns in my fly box, i would have saved money..........not to mention the time saved.

BUT.....i wouldn't swap them for anything as they are tied how i like them and i know they won't fall to pieces after a couple of fish.

So what do you think is the cheapest?
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Old 21-05-2010, 10:29 PM
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I think you'd have to go through an awful lot of flies in a year to make tying your own the cheaper option - but as for which makes fishing more enjoyable, no contest
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Old 21-05-2010, 10:36 PM
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IMO it depends on:

a) How often you go fishing.
b) How many fish you catch (sometimes a fly will catch me 6 or 7 fish, other times one fish will shred the thing to pieces).
c) How clumsy you are (bad knots, tree branches etc).

Although I only use around half a dozen patterns throughout the season, I don't have enough time to tie my own. I'd love to, but I'd like to spend the few hours I get to myself trying to catch fish rather than preparing to.
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Old 21-05-2010, 11:21 PM
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I think anyone whos fishing daft knows the answer to this one!
I spend a fortune on fly tying materials every month and i still have lots left yet to buy
Of course buying flies is the cheapest option in the short term but over the course of ten years i reckon those who tye there own wont be far off the mark of being cheaper than a shop bought fly!
I think the main advantage of flytying is having your own armoury of flies which on there day are priceless!
A shop bought fly will serve most purposes but they dont cover all the bases, how many comp sized doubles do you see being sold over the counter?? Very few
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Old 22-05-2010, 06:09 AM
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If you can discipline yourself to tie a fly until you have exhausted all the hooks and materials for that fly then it will be cheap way to get flies unless you factor in your time.
Time has a value. Now i love tying for myself so I factor in that time as "Me time" and therefore do not feel any need to give it a monetary value.
If on the otherhand I had to sacrifice fishing for tying, which sadly I now frequently do, then my time has to have a monetary value.
Hence flies are not 20p each , the tier has to be paid.

But if you buy 1 spool of 100 yards of 6/0 silk for £1.99, A packet of peacock herl for £2.99. 300 hooks say £18, An Indian cape for £3 Three spools of fine silver wire for £6 you will have 300 Daiwl bachs for less than £35. I tie BD's at around 20 - 24 per hour but an average tier will probably manage say 5 to 10 so that's at least 30 hours of your time you will need to invest

I originally thought it would be cheaper to buy your own but it really isn't, even after 30 years of doing it. I have around £7,000 worth of materials and god knows how much tied up in hooks, even though I never seem to have the pattern my client wants. I also loose a bedroom for staorage and tying which meant we had to buy a bigger house than we really needed.....it goes on and on.
Welcome to the madness..Its Worth it
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Old 22-05-2010, 09:39 AM
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I am beginning to think that too much importance is placed in the flies themselves. I have recently been using much lighter lines (which counter intuitively require a heavier rod to compensate in distance) and i find that a super delicately placed fly of any origin will do the job in dry fly fishing/upstream nymphing.
The fly just isn't that critical. Certainly not critical enough to bother making my own.
My philosophy is:
1. Live very close to good fishing (If not move - you've only got one life).
2. Spend all of spare time away from work and family commitments actually fishing.

Shop bought all the way. With a bit of hairdressing even **** flies can be deadly.
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To me, fly tying is a much an element of fly fishing, as the fishing itself. As a passionate fly fisher, there is much thet interests me from an "off the water" perspective. Tying flies stimulates the interest in entomology, and the behavior of the target species of fish. I never felt complete as a fly fisherman in my earlier fly fishing career, until I started to tie my own. All of sudden, I developed a passion for understanding the complete aquatic food chain, and the denizens that inhabit it. It became clear to me, that without the insects and amphibians that the fish feed on, in our rivers, there would be no fishing, so I began to pay attention to the preservation of the entire chain. Fly tying will intriduce you to the various stages in the life cycle of the insects that provide the food, and the differences in the behavior of the fish, when these changes in the insects life cyle occurs. For instance, when you see a fitrout rise in a certain way, you will be able to work out what it might be feeding on, without actually seeing the insect in some cases. When seeing a trout rise very slowly and almost roll onto the surface of the water, it could be the emergence of mayfly dunns which emerge slowly, and sit on the surface for a while. If the trout rise very quickly, with agressive splashing takes, it could be caddis that are hatching, usually much quicker than the mays. These indicators in fish behavior provide key indicators as to which fly to use in matching the hatch.
Sure, generic flies will work most of the time, but if the fish are feeding very specifically, as trout often do, you might not have the full life cycle of imitations in your box. I suppose it all boils down to how far you want to persue the passion, but person who ties his own, is always going to be more, well rpounded in his approach to how a particular fly should be fished, due to his understanding of the particular food source he is immitating.
Another example, for stillwaters, is the damsel fly. people who tie effective damsels, will have seen the natural one, swimming in the water, or will have researched the behavior of the damsel fly nymph, and will attempt to build the correct movement into the fly, and when fished, will retrieve it, to create the desired imitation of it's natural movement. Many anglers, don't really have a lot of insight into the reasons why they fish certain flies, and rely largely on luck to get a fish, but once the dynamics of the aquatic environment are understood, the luck element begins to make way for advancements in skill. Fly tying and the thought processes behind it, can claim credit for the vast improvements in technical skill of millions of anglers the world over.
I cannot imagine fly fishing, without fly tying. Regardles of the cost, there is a certain special element to consistently catching fish on one of your own flies.

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Old 22-05-2010, 10:51 PM
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Hello chickenfish, It's not the cost of the fly it's the cost of your time if you tie 4, an hour that's £4 an hour cheap labour, some tyer's can tie quick but I'm a slow tyer be cause I have the time, another thing is your family demands your time full stop, then you may want to go out with your mates on the hoy what's more important your fishing. flies, or the pop.
We tyer's mainly tie in the winter when it's cold out side.
So it's a about quality and skill,
With all flies bought or tied if you catch more than one fish it's a bonus.
Now I've got mates who don't tie they can't be bothered, it's always the same patter from them they don't want my flies but they generally they want mine but not always.
So how much do you value your TIME.

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Old 23-05-2010, 05:53 AM
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Andreb, I totally agree with you.

Hook, most flies should last you for a lot more than one trout if your fishing for rainbows. Admittedly browns will strip the dressing much quicker as they have proper teeth. That said I'd be dispointed if I lost a fly through its disintegration to every fish.
Tied correctly and using techniques to strengthen weaker materials most flies should last for a good few fish. I took 4 rainbows yesterday on a size 14 bibio and while it is a bit squashed, once steamed over the kettle it will go back in the box and catch me a whole lot more. (I hope)

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Nothing like catching a fish on a fly that you have tied yourself.
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