fiery brown

[jemo]

HI Comrades, I have a $64000 question.......what colour is fiery brown, i have seen a lot of versions going around.Where could i see what it looks like.I believe Rogan said it should be the colour of the hair at the base of a Shorthorn Cows ear.You dont get many of these to the £ nowadays.
Thanks Jemo

[emerger1981]

fiery brown, this is a tough one.........i,v had all different shades ov so called
fiery brown ranging from bright red to dark brown
you can have a fiery brown dabbler with bronze mallard(brown) with brown body and red body hackle wich some like myself would call a fiery brown dabbler.
really its a choice to the tyer/fisherman what it is, but to simply explain it
it is what it says fiery meaning red hot brown, redish brown
personally i like many shades of fiery brown, claret and also olives
test a few shades on the fish
whatever fishes best is best!

[midlander]

Fiery brown, as emerger says is a tough one. Even when Rogan developed the fly and the colour there were other versions of "fiery brown". However, after some research, and having it verified by someone who's actually had there hands on some original Rogans fiery brown I can say that this is pretty much a Rogan fiery brown...

The reflected light colour...

The transmitted light colour.

If it's not close to that then it's not fiery brown. Simples.

I can tell you that the shade's a pain in the neck to get using modern dyes and involves multiple over dyes and constant shade checking. Still, looks eminently munchable when it's done.

[sweenytodd]

Alex please forgive me for being thick here What is the difference between "Reflected" and "Transmitted" light colours ????

[saracen]

Hi All,

The original fiery brown was dyed using stale ass's urine!! I hadn't heard before that Rogan developed this colour, I thought it had been dyed along time before them, but could be wrong.
I am not going into how I get my shade of fiery brown on the capes, I have to have some secrets!! however when blending seals fur, I would use one part hot orange seals fur, one part blood red selas fur, one part golden olive and two to three parts chocolate brown.
It's an excellent colour when any sedges are about.

Saracen

[steveparton]

Practically , as a dyer , combine Veniard's Ginger with a touch of Veniard's Dark Claret and you won't be that far off the mark !

Mind you a bit will depend on the chemistry of your water supply !

Best wishes

Steve P

[midlander]

Originally Posted by sweenytodd

Alex please forgive me for being thick here What is the difference between "Reflected" and "Transmitted" light colours ????

Reflected light is the light that bounces off something. Transmitted light is the light you see through a translucent object. Think of of stained glass windows. From the outside, by reflected light they look pretty drab but from the inside, by transmitted light the glow with life.

Originally Posted by saracen

The original fiery brown was dyed using stale ass's urine!! I hadn't heard before that Rogan developed this colour, I thought it had been dyed along time before them, but could be wrong.

Sam, It was Michael Rogan of Ballyshannon that used the stale asses urine in the dyeing process of pigs wool for his famous salmon fly... The Fiery Brown.

In truth though using urine or uric acid in dyeing processes is as old as the hills and was certainly used in some wool dyeing for tartans, just maybe not month old asses urine.

Talking of secrets, I upset a certain Ballinrobe material merchant, or rather his assistant when I mentioned that I knew how he got the golden glow in his FB seals fur. Apparently I couldn't know because he'd patented it. Eh?

[sonnaghan]

Not only did he use Asse's urine but he kept the fur in it until the Health Inspector called! Now I didn't think that they had health inspectors in those days. Mind you judging by the smell in the shop when I called about 30 years ago those Rogans could have been using Cat's Urine. The last Michael Rogan was a gentle sort of man but the wife was a tough cookie. I remember he wanted to show me how to tie a french partridge but as soon as she saw what was happening told him to get upstairs and out of the way.
There flies were bril. I still have a couple which I loaned to Sean Maguire to tie a few replicas but have still to collect them.
My friend caught a great trout on Arrow with a spent gnat of Rogans. It was tied on a very long hook, at least twice the length of a Kamasan B800. Haven't seen similar hooks.

[jemo]

Thanks folks,
I believe that the asses p?ss smelled so bad that you would need a space suit to approach the barrel!

[arkle]

Sonnaghan, "very long shank hooks" are available & some of them are made in the U.K. by Sprite, however they all exported to the U.S. & sold under the name "Gaelic Supreme" Mustad also have done them in the past as well. You may find further info on www.thestreamerlist.ning.com

Many years ago, I bought a set of 8 dubbing from Rogan, as well as a few capes. The colour that Alex does is, from memory as near as you're likely to see anywhere these days.