Depth Charge Buzzer

[saracen]

HI All,

Here's a simple yet effective Buzzer for the point. Sinks like a stone, but get's the rest of your cast fishing in a nice arc.Great in red, black and olive.


Body & Thorax: Brown UTC wire over superglue
cheeks: J.C. superglued
Coating:Epoxy or hard as nails.

Tightlines,
Sam

[Charliea1234]

Good idea Sam - is it comp legal ? I always get confused about what weighting is permitted.

Thanks

Charlie

[captain]

Originally Posted by Charliea1234

Good idea Sam - is it comp legal ? I always get confused about what weighting is permitted.

Thanks

Charlie

In a short answer? No

[Rob Edmunds]

In international rules comps the answer should be NO..as Martin rightly says

But in the Airflo small water etc...then it's fine as you can weight flies..

But on the subject of weighting flies......when does a fly become artificially weighted ???

1 - Are Buzzers with 2 or 3 (or more) coats of epoxy weighted ?? just where do you draw the line.....as it's not needed other than to add weight

2 - How close can a wire rib be......for example some of the Bewl flies were ribbed very closely (with the whole point of adding weight yet remaining legal in international rules comps)

Good job i'm a yob with a blob !

[saracen]

Hmmm,

When posting I wasn't think about comps, but then again was never one to shy away from an arguement!!
One possible arguement is, "artifical weight" in my opinion would mean weight that is only added for weights sake, like a lead underbody or gold head, now if the rib is the only thing making up the whole fly then it is more than just adding weight!! It's the Whole fly!! and therefore representational!!! SO IS IT ARTIFICAL?

Confused now!!!!!!!

Saracen

[fredaevans]

One thing you learn to do here in the PNW is read the regulations for 'fly fishing only' waters. What may well be 'legal' on one stream would be VERY illegal on another. As an example, here on the upper Rogue you can use any type of added weight to the fly (just nothing on the leader like split shot).

On the North Umpqua any added weight (save for the hook itself) is illegal. As an example of that, a wire ribbing on a standard pattern would be a no-no.

[northdeeps1]

Originally Posted by saracen

Hmmm,

When posting I wasn't think about comps, but then again was never one to shy away from an arguement!!
One possible arguement is, "artifical weight" in my opinion would mean weight that is only added for weights sake, like a lead underbody or gold head, now if the rib is the only thing making up the whole fly then it is more than just adding weight!! It's the Whole fly!! and therefore representational!!! SO IS IT ARTIFICAL?

Confused now!!!!!!!

Saracen

So what if you add weight in the form of extra foam… as in, say, boobies? You’ve added weight, but the fly won’t sink. The word people are searching for is density!

Weight is a misnomer in this case, where it is impossible to tie a fly without adding weight… every milligram of thread wrapped around the fly adds additional weight. That doesn’t, however, mean they fly is more likely to sink. In fact, depending on the relative density of the material added, it may decrease or increase the overall density, which could make it float or sink.

Here’s one for the “wrap fifteen turns of lead around the hook shank to make it sink” mob. In still water, you are better off wrapping a couple of turns of lead round a light gauge hook than lots around a heavy gauge one.

[shrek]

if you lower the hook gently onto the water the surface tension may come into effect, but with a normal fly cast the "lots around a heavy gauge one" will sink quicker

[northdeeps1]

Originally Posted by shrek

if you lower the hook gently onto the water the surface tension may come into effect, but with a normal fly cast the "lots around a heavy gauge one" will sink quicker

Wanna bet?

[shrek]

yeah any time