Great response and quality help, cheers guys. Will have a bash at the caenis time pattern but not been tyin too long, think i might pull it off though. Like the badger hackle idea too. Jim your a man after my own heart i find the muddler (usually a size 14 orange one for some reason) the most reliable in this situation. My next step on the tying journey is to learn deer hair application so i can tie my own, I fish Frandy quite a bit and the orange muddler is a magnet up there, but i cant tie em yet


Thanks again to all that replied. Most appreciated.
Scotty