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Old 06-12-2009, 12:04 PM
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Default Imitative Patterns: The Knowledge Gap

I was thinking in bed this morning, as I do sometimes, of how unpleasant it would be to have a tube stuck down my throat and the contents of my stomach (mainly beer and kebab) sucked out.

I also thought that even if I had a small brain, a glum looking mouth and mainly lived underwater, except for the odd forced march to the bankside, I'd still find it fairly unpleasant.

The which brings me to my main point: we're rather stuck with the empirical observations of fishermen before catch and release became so prevalent. I can't see that holding a trout and shouting in harassed mother speak 'what did you eat? Spit it out!' is really going to work.

It's possible to see what fish are eating when there's a hatch and when there isn't we have to guess, I guess. On the river I fish (a part of the Itchen system) the stocked fish (particularly our banker, Suicidal Pete as he became known) will eat just about anything presented well and the natives won't. The natives tend to sit deeper, behave more shyly and are very hard to catch.

On top of all this, when I'm on my knees in the water doing a Home Counties version of David Attenbrough ("This amazing little creature darts around and does all its shopping in Waitrose on a Saturday"), I don't really see a whole load of nymphs swimming with their chins out saying 'come on big boy, eat me if you dare'. Pick up a stone, or fiddle with some weed and it's a slightly different tale.

So, unless you can get your nymph pattern to dart around on the bed of the stream from rock to pebble to weed, you're probably fishing a fry imitation, whether it be a GRHE or Pheasant Tail or whatever.

If you're fishing a stocked river like the Test or Itchen, forget the entymology and use a pellet fly, because that's what the fish have eaten for most of their lives and that's imitative (or fish for Grayling, a much worthier and wilder target).

And if you're fishing a river for wild trout and want to know what the fish are eating sub-surface, try bashing yourself over the head with a rock and jumping in and see if they'll nibble on your toes.

For the ultra-purist (which is me until the beginning of the season when I get out my biggest lure and a stick of dynamite) we should be tying:

Imitative dries from bankside observation (head by the gape, hook concealed for live flies, any way round for imitations of spent flies)

Emergers to match the hatch (the one time when the fly gets washed into the stream - I assume. I haven't been able to observe this though)

Fry. Preferably a Dry Fry, with Tongue in Cheek.

Weighted Nymphs (to be fished as close to the river bed as possible). Fishing Weighted Nymphs in a chalksteam in summer I find nigh on impossible, so thankfully most places ban this sort of carry-on.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:16 PM
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I assume you do not take part in the action mentioned?
Mate fish shouldnt be getting spooned or have anything stuck down there throat
while still alive.The site is full of threads and posts about sightbob use ,striking to hard,
damaged fish.How do you remove stomach contents from a fish without taking it from the water,handling it and risking internal damage before returning it??
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marmalade, thanks, i enjoyed that read...although i think you have just put doubt into my early morning thoughts of a perfectly landed dry...no you've done it, the illusion is shattered...perhaps it as a dream
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What kind of drugs are you on Marmalade.

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What kind of drugs are you on Marmalade.

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try giving him some of your boring pills yawn!!!!!!!!

p.s welcome to the forum gulliveroh poop should of done that on a seperate post to get my post count up
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cheers mr ripley, still finding my way around, 2 posts...3 now in a year, i'm not known as trigger for nothing
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I have those dreams only mine consist of a massive fly caught salmon that I have never cuaght.

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Sightbob: no fish were harmed during the making of this posting.

Gulliver: Pleasure, don't mention it.

Grayling: I could tell you but I'd have to take some more afterwards.

Ripley: Keep calm and carry on.

Flying: Dream on.
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Marmalade here is a couple of patterns to start with hope you like them
Robert
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Here's 1 of my most favorite buzzers.
Hook size 12
Thread Black
Body Silver Holo
Wing cover White Goose
Thorax 2 Strands of Peacock Herl
Hackle Black Cock

The whole Idea is an attractor because the Holo attracts the fish by movement with coloured light just like a jewellers shop window attracts our eyes to the lights it's just like a big holo, I fish this wet or dry but I never put hard as nails on or put floatant on it, I made this 25yrs ago and I had to send to Calebra's in the USA for the Holo then.






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