well my tying antics have come to an end for a little while, i have been using the snowbee flymate ball joint, the ball joint was getting a tad loose, last night i undid the little grub screw and tightened the collar a couple of turns, then the head fell off my vice

, it seems the cup the ball sits in is made of plastic not aluminium as i thought....
Ho hum... guess i will be shopping for a new vice when i have the funds... until then no tying, i will have to make do with whats in my fly boxes...