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Old 31-08-2009, 02:18 PM
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I'm new to fly tying, and have just ordered tools.

I'm now buying materials, which is completely bewildering. Any pointers to what I should be buying (sorry very open ended question)?

With regard to capes, they seem to vary massively in price from £4 to £30+. Is buying cheap a good or bad idea?

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Old 31-08-2009, 03:01 PM
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Hi Diawl,

The problem with most cheap capes is that you will not get many usable feathers from them. I would recommend metz/whiting/hoffman capes (cock capes/saddles). All the feathers are usable and you will get two to three flies from a single feather. Hen capes can be bought relatively cheap and imho there is no need to be going for the aforementioned brands unless you want to tie wets with hen capes.

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I'm new to fly tying, and have just ordered tools.

I'm now buying materials, which is completely bewildering. Any pointers to what I should be buying (sorry very open ended question)?
What sort of flies are you looking to tie? Salmon? Sewin? Brown Trout? Rainbows? River or stillwater?
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What sort of flies are you looking to tie? Salmon? Sewin? Brown Trout? Rainbows? River or stillwater?
brown / rainbow trout wets (which I assume uses hen capes?) and dries (cock capes?) and some sewin flies. Should that influence cape choice / quality?
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brown / rainbow trout wets (which I assume uses hen capes?) and dries (cock capes?) and some sewin flies. Should that influence cape choice / quality?
You can use Chinese cock capes for you wets, but you should also look to getting a selection of hen. For dries you will need cock hackles that are a bit stiffer. I would start with the cheaper Indian capes before spending a lot more on genetic capes. You certainly don't need to be buying top of the range stuff at this point, and some excellent tyers never do.

Best thing you can do is make a list of half a dozen flies you want to tie first. Get the pattern details and list the materials. Take that list and contact someone like Steve at Cookshill and he will keep you right.
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Forget Chinese necks if just tying trout flies, total waste of money as you would only use the bottom quarter of the cape giving you enough feathers for about 20 flies.
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If you're buying cock capes, try to buy good quality half necks. Metz Grade 3 are very good and Grade 2 even better, for a reasonable price. High grade Whiting capes are superb but cost a lot more. For a home tyer tying only for personal use, a good quality half neck will last you a long time, so it's a one off investment (although you may want 3 or 4 colours). I'd recommend buying a brown half neck to start with. Some shops will try to sell you saddles rather than necks - my advice would be to avoid them because the range of hackle sizes can be very limited. With a good quality half neck, you can tie a full range of fly sizes and you'll have enough to last you years. If you're buying via the internet, it's worth phoning somewhere like lathkill's who will give you good advice and most likely sell you half necks, even though they may only advertise full necks on their web site. If a shop advises you to buy a saddle, in my opinion, they are giving you bad advice. The reason I say this is that I know some shops will ask you what size of flies you're tying then try to sell you a saddle for them. You'll have enough hackle to tie thousands of flies of only one or two sizes. The problem comes when you want to tie other flies in different sizes and the saddle just doesn't have the right size hackles.

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If a shop advises you to buy a saddle, in my opinion, they are giving you bad advice.
I would have to disagee with that. Neck hackles, especially genetic hackles, are too stiff for wet flies. A Metz #2 saddle will give a multitude of hackles that are ideal for wet flies.

Gerry's comment on Chinese capes is valid, but I would hope to get more than twenty trout suitable hackles per cape, especially if tying up at Sea Trout size.

The half capes is a good option. Gerry (Artifly) Ruthvenflyfisher (on this forum) does this with Metz capes.
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I would go for the half capes, whiting or metz grade 3 and you will have enough feathers to last you for years.
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Have to totally disagree with your comments regarding saddles jdl, they are perfect for tying wets, bumbles, dabblers etc, perfect for sizes 10,12 with also 8's & 14's also plentifull, you will get 100's of flies from a saddle, getting at least 3-4 palmered flies from one hackle alone, although they are cock saddles are a lot softer than neck hackles more of a henny cock type hackle perect for max movement, avoid necks if poss as Gander sayes hackle stem to thick and barb a lot stiffer, in my opinion who ever recommended the saddle over the neck gave sound advice as they could have easily sold you the more expensive neck instead, am not saying you cant use the neck hackle but I would certainly use the saddle hackles if I had a choice.
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