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Old 22-07-2008, 01:12 PM
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Cheers for that, mine are on YMM2As but the grub hook does give it a nice profile.
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Old 22-07-2008, 02:26 PM
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I think this is a wonderful fly but I always have trouble getting the Golden Pheasant body feather to look right.How do you tie it in? Some advise please...................

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Old 22-07-2008, 02:40 PM
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I tie the feather in by the tip ,and sweep the hackles back as i'm winding it on .
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Old 23-07-2008, 11:05 AM
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...Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I think Stan designed the Octopus to deal with daphnia feeders.
According to Stan's book, Flies of Scotland, the original was designed as an alternative to the Green French Partridge, leaning towards a Green Peter. It is recommended as a bob fly in windy conditions. The Melvin variant is also down as being a Mayfly imitator.

However, I do seem to remember reading that the fly does do well with Daphnia feeders.
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Old 23-07-2008, 01:37 PM
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I've been told about a fly called "The Octopus" which seems to be doing all the damage at Stocks at the moment.
Interesting....

I fished Stocks on Wednesday 16th July...and had a decent haul,as did a couple of other guys who,according to the reports,had a similarly hectic day.
The fact that the level had just risen a few feet,but had a day or two to settle,and reports of Soldier Beetles on the wing made my set-up decisions for me - fish the margins,and bung summat red/orange/fiery brown ish and bushy on the top dropper. Thick cloud and a good old blow screamed floating line,especially as I was going to concentrate my efforts around the margins for the fish that move in to hoover up after the flood once the clarity has improved a little and the temperatures stabilised a bit. Anyway before I start to relate every drift,to cut a long story short - I had 21 fish,and the other guys,with a similar M.O. of wet fly-floating line-margins etc had 40 fish to the boat. Apparently they were cleaning up with the Octopus in one of it's many guises,not sure which. Incredibly, 17 out of my 21 came to this....

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Soldier Palmer....'Variant'

Hook - B170 or 175
Tail - Glo-brite No5
Body - Mixed Seals fur - Scarlet,Crimson,Autumn Crimson,Red,Flou Red,Flou Orange (Red will do )
Rib - UTC wire 'Hot Yellow' 'Brassie' size
Body Hackles - 1 Red Cock,1 Flou orange cock.
Shoulder Hackles - GP body feathers,1 nat red,1 dyed dark red/claret.
Thread - UTC red 70 den.

Now then, I bought this dyed red GP skin a couple of months ago...and it's been finding its way into many patterns Any excuse to bung some big red straggly shoulder hackles into the dressing.... The Octopus was the last thing on my mind when I tied this fella,but when Matt and Pete in the lodge told me that the other guys had cleaned up with the Octopus,I then saw the similarities. Is mine a Solidier Octopus then Whatever,it worked,almost to the exclusion of all else. I reckon it was more to do with a full dressing being stroked through the film on a blustery day when the fish were high and up for it. The other guys catching with a completely different colour scheme would back this up.....unless their Octopus was more akin to Gerry's tying with the red GP coming to the fore,rather than the more natural/olive dominat standard dressing Who knows?

Went out yesterday with a similar M.O. but a very different story. Dark and damp,but with a 'neutral' kind of temperature and a much lighter wind of 10 ish. Had the Soldier on the Bob again...as you would,and swapped skinny dabblers around on the middle and had a kind of fiery brown nymph on the point to suggest a drowned Soldier beetle....and errr... nymphs! First cast on Grindys...the line went heavy as a 7lb+ rainbow drew the nymph away,and the action was pretty relentless untill it slowly petered out around 5 ish. Anyway,before I start to relate this one cast by cast aswell, I reckon I moved about 60/70 yesterday and 18 of em managed to grab a firm hold. The fish were litteraly bumping each other out of the way to get my flies at some points during the day! Swirling,kissing,bow-waving,slashing,coming short,turning away,missing,you name it I reckon I did worse than hit one in 3. Tried everything to remedy the situation... smaller,sparser,faster,slower then decided it was all good fun and better than a jab in the eye with a sharp stick. It was a 33% split this week too with bob,middle and point all getting in on the action.

Tight in at Stocks has been the way to go over tha last couple of weeks with a pattern of heavy rain lifting the level a few feet,then a day or two to settle,then more of the same etc. I was lucky enough to pick my days inbetween the lifts and make the most of the opportunities in the margins.

What change in temperature today though.... the dog days will not be far away now,albeit a litlle delayed this season. Thank heaven for small mercies eh? The fish will now start to spread again,at Stocks at least,and the next couple of weeks should,with some decent cloud cover,offer some great top of the water sport. With Stocks not exactly the richest feeding ground in the world,and the buzzers hardly relevant at all again until Sept/Oct,the fish will be looking up for terrestrials if they wanna get fat

Nice flies boys and nice timing....gave me a chance to relate a couple of 'red' letter days
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Old 23-07-2008, 02:16 PM
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Firstly, The Octopuswas originally the green version, which was tied to stand-in for a Green French Partridge. The one with the GloBrite no. 11 tail is the Melvin Octopus which was designed as a daphnia/mayfly attractor for the 1992 International on Melvin. Did a bit of work in this year's spring international on the same venue, by the way.
I no longer use grub hooks for this one (or the other for that matter).

Both can be found in The Trout & Salmon Flies of Scotland, published by Merlin Unwin Books, which is now out again on re-print.
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Old 26-07-2008, 05:39 PM
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Hi!

relatively new member , been a lurker rather than an active member.

I've been told about a fly called "The Octopus" which seems to be doing all the damage at Stocks at the moment.

Never heard of this fly, does anyone have a picture or even an SBS for this pattern, apparently its something to do with the hackle that makes this fly so effective.


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Hi, just give Ben or one of the lads at Stocks a ring and ask them to put a couple aside for you for your next trip, i use the fulling mill ones from the shop and along with every one else i have to agree it's an excellent pattern and well done to the developer !!!!.
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