gramon sedge

[flyman1975]

hi would any body like to guve me some patterns to tie on the grammon sedge and the best way to fish them

[wingman]

Think you might mean 'Grannom' mate unless this is yet another pattern thats new to me, I assume its a dryfly anyway.

[flyman1975]

Originally Posted by wingman

Think you might mean 'Grannom' mate unless this is yet another pattern thats new to me, I assume its a dryfly anyway.

i do mean grannom my splleing is not that good lol and it is a dry

[North Country Angler]

Hi,

Well for starters, I wouldn't get too hung up on finding a dry fly pattern for the grannom. My experience is that they seldom figure highly on the trout's 'off the top' menu....at least on the rivers I fish anyway. There are two important stages of the grannom life cycle to the trout and fly fisherman:

1. The morning emergence - once you hit grannom time (third week of April usually round these parts), you will find the caddis emerging during the early to mid morning. You might see swarms of them dancing over the surface, and quite possibly with very few fish rising. This isn't surprising - most of the feeding activity is taking place sub surface of the ascending pupae which row to the surface very quickly. Fish a brace of nymphs upstream and you should find fish. I have a specific grannom pupa pattern, but it isn't really necessary - a shaggy hare's ear nymph will work adequately. Occasional tweaks of the flies as they move down towards you will reap dividends, adding a touch of upwards acceleration which mimics the behaviour of the pupae well.

2. Afternoon/evening ovipositing - later in the day you will see the females begin to congregate over the surface, dark green egg balls hanging off their ****-ends. The eggs are laid sub surface on part submerged stones and branches, indeed you might find the flies crawling down your wader legs and grouping in the creases as they attempt to reach the river bed again. Sometimes you can turn a stone over to find the underside absolutely crammed with the little beggars. When they have laid, the females either re-emerge, but more often just die and sprawl off downstream with the current. It this time a team of spiders works really well, fished square across and mended downstream with a controlled swing. Woodcock and hare's lug and grannom spiders both work well. The only thing to watch out for using this method is that because of the time of year, you can sometimes get plagued by smolting salmon parr. If this happens, revert to fishing your spiders upstream and the nuisance takes should cease.

Hope this helps. You'll probably get someone on now saying I've talked a load of cobblers....but that is what I've found to work in the North of England.

M

[stevie d]

have a look on the Gwent Angling Society website as they have some good articles on there regarding Grannom patterns(wet and emerging)and how to fish them.
Steve.

[flyman1975]

Originally Posted by North Country Angler

Hi,

Well for starters, I wouldn't get too hung up on finding a dry fly pattern for the grannom. My experience is that they seldom figure highly on the trout's 'off the top' menu....at least on the rivers I fish anyway. There are two important stages of the grannom life cycle to the trout and fly fisherman:

1. The morning emergence - once you hit grannom time (third week of April usually round these parts), you will find the caddis emerging during the early to mid morning. You might see swarms of them dancing over the surface, and quite possibly with very few fish rising. This isn't surprising - most of the feeding activity is taking place sub surface of the ascending pupae which row to the surface very quickly. Fish a brace of nymphs upstream and you should find fish. I have a specific grannom pupa pattern, but it isn't really necessary - a shaggy hare's ear nymph will work adequately. Occasional tweaks of the flies as they move down towards you will reap dividends, adding a touch of upwards acceleration which mimics the behaviour of the pupae well.

2. Afternoon/evening ovipositing - later in the day you will see the females begin to congregate over the surface, dark green egg balls hanging off their ****-ends. The eggs are laid sub surface on part submerged stones and branches, indeed you might find the flies crawling down your wader legs and grouping in the creases as they attempt to reach the river bed again. Sometimes you can turn a stone over to find the underside absolutely crammed with the little beggars. When they have laid, the females either re-emerge, but more often just die and sprawl off downstream with the current. It this time a team of spiders works really well, fished square across and mended downstream with a controlled swing. Woodcock and hare's lug and grannom spiders both work well. The only thing to watch out for using this method is that because of the time of year, you can sometimes get plagued by smolting salmon parr. If this happens, revert to fishing your spiders upstream and the nuisance takes should cease.

Hope this helps. You'll probably get someone on now saying I've talked a load of cobblers....but that is what I've found to work in the North of England.

M

thank you that was good ro know i have heard that they were not high on the trouts menu but i will give the nymph approach a go for sure ,

[derek365]

You could try this one, i've tied a few but yet to cast one.

Tying a CDC Bubble Grannom by Davie McPhail - YouTube

Tying a CDC Bubble Grannom by Davie McPhail - YouTube

Cheers Derek