Name this fly.

[Cromie]

For a start i hope this is not a mosquito! It can't be!! :O

I was down fishing today at my local water for two hours, Only three fish rised as it was still quite cold. I seen a few flies hatching and lots of pupal cases floating on the water. Im going to go back and fish my local in a few days and there should be plenty more of those on the water. When i looked at the fly with my eyes it was green and then when i took a picture it was grey and red, a bit similar to a grey boy midge. So im going to fish some green buzzers the next time i go back to fish my local water. The pupal cases were quite big around the length of a size 12 hook. What could i tie to imitate the adult stage and does anyone know the name for this midge?



Thats the best picture i could get Hope you like it.

Lets hear what you would fish and do on your water if these were present and hatching.

[dom]

Chironomus plumosus .
http://www.first-nature.com/insects/...s_plumosus.htm

Nice photo Chromie, judging by the above link would try tying up some of Peter O'Reillys Campto Midges.
cheers
dom

EDIT: most midges are essentially the same speciers aren't they? but there is obviously a large variation on colour sizes etc. Are all these different variants an actual different type of midge, or is it more of a case that like brown trout which can look totally different depending on where they come from, but they are all the same species.
Is it the case that what a local might refer to as a large olive, is in fact just a local variation on exactly the same species as a grey boy, fifty miles down the road?
****** entymology.

[midlander]

By the look of the picture and your description it appears to be what I call a bottle green Buzzer. I'm not at all sure of it's Latin name but in size and appearance it closely resembles a classic grey boy in it's pupal form but it takes on a dark green hue to the body as an adult and the legs can be anything from medium to golden olive. For the adult I use the hopper below, for an emerger I use either the hopper or a similarly coloured sugar cube buzzer and for a pulled wet emerger I use the spider below.



The tying for the hopper is as follows:

Hook: Hyabusa 752, size 10.
Thread: Roman Moser 8/0, black.
Post: Lureflash small booby eyes, red.
Body: A mix of black, black claret and dark sooty olive Seals fur.
Rib: Fine red wire.
Legs: Knotted Cock Pheasant tail dyed olive.
Hackle: Black olive Cock.

The Pulling Buzzer is:

Hook: Partridge YMM2A, size 10.
Thread: UTC 70 den, brown olive.
Body: Thread.
Rib1: Fine holo gold tinsel marked with Copic "ciao" marker, shade BG96"bush".
Rib2: Fine oval gold.
The body is then given a coat of superglue and 2 coats of HAN.
Wing buds: Tangerine Goose biots.
Hackle: Black olive Hen.

Hope this helps.

Dom. Most of the variations are sub species but I believe there is also some variance within sub species. It would take a taxonimist to properly identify all the variations.

[Cromie]

Thanks midlander, I will tie up a few of those emerging hoppers, Im going to do a few with ginger hackle and some grey dubbing.

[.D.]

Originally Posted by dom

Chironomus plumosus .
http://www.first-nature.com/insects/...s_plumosus.htm


Is it the case that what a local might refer to as a large olive, is in fact just a local variation on exactly the same species as a grey boy, fifty miles down the road?
****** entymology.

There are several hundred distinct species of Chironomid midge alone in the UK. It's far more likely that a "large olive" buzzer in one part of the UK may refer to either exactly the same species or any number of other species that look vaguely similar to the naked eye.

Specialist keys and a microscope would be necessary to identify the very vast majority of species correctly. If you were into that sort of thing.



.D.

[.D.]

Originally Posted by midlander

.........Dom. Most of the variations are sub species but I believe there is also some variance within sub species. It would take a taxonimist to properly identify all the variations.

Do you know many examples of UK midge species that are split into named subspecies?

.D.

[midlander]

Originally Posted by .D.

There are several hundred distinct species of Chironomid midge alone in the UK. It's far more likely that a "large olive" buzzer in one part of the UK may refer to either exactly the same species or any number of other species that look vaguely similar to the naked eye.

Specialist keys and a microscope would be necessary to identify the very vast majority of species correctly. If you were into that sort of thing.



.D.

You are quite right .D., I was talking tosh. There are over 400 different separate species of Chironomid in the UK alone. My apologies for misleading. I work nights, I was tired and wrote some bollox, thanks for pulling me up on that one. I know my Buzzers very well and I can't believe I wrote it myself, ah well, there we go.

Toodle -oo - the - noo. I'm off to Corrib for the week, have fun all.

[.D.]

Originally Posted by midlander

............. I know my Buzzers very well ...........
Toodle -oo - the - noo. I'm off to Corrib for the week, have fun all.

I don't doubt it.

Have a good week.


.D.

[Streamfisher]

Yesterday, along with small dark upwings there was an occasional larger fly hatching. It was brown in colour, about 15mm long, very distinctive in flight, reminiscent of a miniature version of one of those twin rotor helicopters.....any ideas?

TF

[IanD]

Sounds very much like one of the stoneflies.
Probably a female large stonefly (perloda something or other).
There's a very good imitation devised by Melvin Grey, but a brown hopper with polythene wings added does quite well.