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Old 18-10-2011, 09:25 PM
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Default Spiders-Why so many similar things?

Perhaps a controversial thread...?

I am a devotee of Spider patterns but am now questioning why there are so many similar patterns. Undoubtedly they represent struggling or dying emerges but I find it hard to believe that fish differentiate between the 33 only slightly different patterns in the early Pritt and Lee publications. I just cannot believe that there is sufficient difference in the various soft hackles.

Just as now in 2011 we are sought to be seduced by the ,000s of new flies published I am sure the early fly fishers similarly produced 'new' patterns to enhance their reputations or line their pockets.

Can anyone explain the need for so many spider patterns?

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Old 18-10-2011, 09:34 PM
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So many fly fishermen to catch! ......

Got to admit, I am one of the suckers that has to try them, but I am sure most fly variations, not just spiders, are to catch us and not the fish!

I think the same applies to most thing in life...
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Default Re: Spiders-Why so many similar things?

I'm afraid size and colour can be the difference between catching and not.
But I think size can be more important.
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Isn't it conceivable that similar looking yet different patterns were produced by locals on different rivers, different local fly dressers reaching virtually the same conclusion? Does anyone know whether Pritt devised all those patterns himself or whether he compiled the list from patterns used not only in Yorkshire but across the northern counties?

Just look at the similarity between the Clyde, Tweed and Tummel styles. Similar patterns with variations to suit local conditions.
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When does a wet fly qualify as a spider, do you think?
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Local ecologies and local materials, and to console those of us who would otherwise have to accept responsibility for a poor reading of the water and lousy presentations.

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Default Re: Spiders-Why so many similar things?

There are a lot of them but off the top of my head wouldn't four suffice?

Orange
Purple
Red
Yellow

Use whatever feathers you have handy. There you go. I guess it started out as simple as that but we do like playing around don't we...

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Default Re: Spiders-Why so many similar things?

Pritt did not create any flies nor did he create what we think was the difinitive list. At the moment, it is generally thought that the original list came fro John Swarbrick - List of Wharefdale Flies Manuscript c 1800 - but even this has now been proven wrong. The North Country Flies all orginiated in a close knit area and we have now traced this back a further 100 years or so.
Bob Smith and I are about to release a book early next year which demonstrates the true source of the orginal patterns.
As to them being similar, there are very subtle variations. For example some time when you think a Watehen Bloa is the right fly, a well tied Dotteril will out fish it.
I belive that size is the trick to these flies. I tie each pattern I use in sizes 14, 16 and 18. I even have tied down to 20 & 22 for when those fish are sitting under the trees just sipping.
But above all, their effective comes into play by the way that you fish them.

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Isn't it conceivable that similar looking yet different patterns were produced by locals on different rivers, different local fly dressers reaching virtually the same conclusion? Does anyone know whether Pritt devised all those patterns himself or whether he compiled the list from patterns used not only in Yorkshire but across the northern counties?

Just look at the similarity between the Clyde, Tweed and Tummel styles. Similar patterns with variations to suit local conditions.
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Default Re: Spiders-Why so many similar things?

I'm certainly of the view that I don't need numerous different patterns. I make do with half a dozen:

partridge and orange
snipe and purple
woodcock and yellow
hare's lug and plover
black hotspot
black
greenwells

Having said that, I confess I'm no great shakes on a river!
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Isn't it conceivable that similar looking yet different patterns were produced by locals on different rivers, different local fly dressers reaching virtually the same conclusion? Does anyone know whether Pritt devised all those patterns himself or whether he compiled the list from patterns used not only in Yorkshire but across the northern counties?

Just look at the similarity between the Clyde, Tweed and Tummel styles. Similar patterns with variations to suit local conditions.
As ever Alex you have hit the nail on the head
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